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    Jesus does have His ministry today in modern times, it divides the church as it divided the Jews.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    I believe He was speaking to His disciple's immediate welfare.

    We disagree.

    What else is new?
    Jesus said "He" who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.

    Jesus began his sentence with the word "He". The grammar and syntax tells us that it is a universal statement.

    (Proverbs 11:27) He that diligently seeks good procures favor: but he that seeks evil, it shall come unto him.

    When a proverb begins with the word "he", it is universal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inzl Kett View Post
    Folks would choke on His "Go and sin no more" statements. He befriended sinners, but He didn't condone their behavior. There is a world of difference between loving someone and loving their actions.
    Yes, they certainly would choke. Today, we must be politically correct and say everyone has the right to do what is right in his own eyes, and we are not to judge them. To judge means to rightly divide and not call evil good and good evil, but to be able to discern between good and evil. The Word wasn't given to put blinders over the eyes of the church of God, but that is what these misinterpretations of Scripture have done in this our "modern" age.

    The grace of God doesn't cover over sin, it simply provides a postponement of judgement until faith comes to give us access to that grace. Which is why no one is saved until they believe, and no sins are forgiven until one is justified by that faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    Originally Posted by tetelestai
    What is wrong with Wile giving his answer to the question?

    I too believe that if Jesus were to post on TOL, he would either be told he wasn't saved, or that He didn't know how to "rightly divide".

    Jesus told Peter to put his sword back in its place, then said to Peter: "live by the sword, die by the sword".

    If we substitute "sword" with "gun", how would Jesus fit in with all you NRA people?

    That was not a universal pronouncement.
    The LORD was simply telling those who were with Him that night, that if they sought to defend Him and themselves with a sword that they would die at the hands of the soldiers who had come to get Him.
    Yes, I agree. That seems pretty clear here in Luke where Jesus says, "He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Then He said, two swords would be "enough."

    Luke 22:35-37
    And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end. And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetelestai View Post
    Jesus said "He" who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.

    Jesus began his sentence with the word "He". The grammar and syntax tells us that it is a universal statement.

    (Proverbs 11:27) He that diligently seeks good procures favor: but he that seeks evil, it shall come unto him.

    When a proverb begins with the word "he", it is universal.
    HE also said to sell your garment to buy a sword. That would be a gun in this modern world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for April 24th, 2013 05:00 AM


    toldailytopic: If Jesus had His ministry now in modern times, what would the mainstream Church think of His approach?

    I'm not exactly sure what you mean by mainstream Church. In my opinion Jesus has no need of creed, doctrine, Bible nor any other of the trappings of a church. So I suspect the mainstream Church will be horrified when He returns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eeset View Post
    I'm not exactly sure what you mean by mainstream Church. In my opinion Jesus has no need of creed, doctrine, Bible nor any other of the trappings of a church. So I suspect the mainstream Church will be horrified when He returns.
    He built His Church on a rock
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eeset View Post
    I'm not exactly sure what you mean by mainstream Church. In my opinion Jesus has no need of creed, doctrine, Bible nor any other of the trappings of a church. So I suspect the mainstream Church will be horrified when He returns.
    Jesus said "Love the Lord thy God...and love thy neighbor.... On these two commandments hang all of the Law and the Prophets."
    He established a community via His chosen Disciples and issued "The Great Commandment" to them so that when people gathered to worship they would be instructed in "The Way" of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ and Him crucified and buried and risen on the third day for us.
    I believe we need instruction. witness and nuture to help us stay on our path.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bybee View Post
    Jesus said "Love the Lord thy God...and love thy neighbor.... On these two commandments hang all of the Law and the Prophets."
    He established a community via His chosen Disciples and issued "The Great Commandment" to them so that when people gathered to worship they would be instructed in "The Way" of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ and Him crucified and buried and risen on the third day for us.
    I believe we need instruction. witness and nuture to help us stay on our path.
    good post bybee

    Jesus asked Peter to feed His sheep three times
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wile E. Coyote View Post
    Knight would ban Jesus for being "unnecessarily disruptive."
    now that is pretty good

    (but I don't mean to encourage him)
    a voice crying in the wilderness :chrysost:

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    HE also said to sell your garment to buy a sword. That would be a gun in this modern world.
    Read the passage in context.

    Jesus then tells His Disciples that two swords would be enough.

    The context pertains to fulfilling Isaiah 53. Jesus was not telling His Disciples to buy swords to fight their enemies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tetelestai View Post
    Read the passage in context.

    Jesus then tells His Disciples that two swords would be enough.

    The context pertains to fulfilling Isaiah 53. Jesus was not telling His Disciples to buy swords to fight their enemies.
    The word "sword" should be translated "dagger." Two daggers would be useless against a band of thieves. They were for utility purposes.

    Why would Jesus limit them to only two daggers if they were meant for more than utility purposes?
    "The Bible is very clear, Christians aren't supposed to be busybodies, nor are they supposed to strive with any man who hasn't harmed him (Or someone else, by implication.)" RandPaulfor2016, May 10, 2013

    http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...73#post3450273

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wile E. Coyote View Post
    The word "sword" should be translated "dagger." Two daggers would be useless against a band of thieves. They were for utility purposes.

    Why would Jesus limit them to only two daggers if they were meant for more than utility purposes?

    'cause most of them had only two arms?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granite View Post
    In all seriousness I think most Christians wouldn't like what he had to say. (They don't seem to care for much of what he said as it is.)
    As well as everyone else especially. Not liking what he had to say is part of why you walked away isnt it? So would it be any different for you if He was physically present now?

    "Around the country, progressive bullies have attacked Christians for daring to put their faith ahead of the pet causes of those who feign compassion while destroying life-giving liberties. What we are seeing is a scorched-earth, take-no-prisoners approach as the wildfire burns across our land. It is not enough that Christians be quiet. Christians must be silenced and punished. Their faith cannot be respected. Legislation that ensures people are free to live and work according to their faith without fear of being punished by government must be stopped and decried as discrimination...There is one key reason that those on the Left must force their beliefs on the rest of us: if they didn't force their craziness on us, we would never embrace it." ~Erick Erickson
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wile E. Coyote View Post
    The word "sword" should be translated "dagger." Two daggers would be useless against a band of thieves. They were for utility purposes.

    Why would Jesus limit them to only two daggers if they were meant for more than utility purposes?
    Utility? Like cutting off someone's ear?


    In Matthew, Jesus said, "Put your sword in its place..." He didn't tell him to throw it away. The reason being that Jesus was to be taken and crucified.

    "BUT NOW..." The disciples were to go out into hostile territories among robbers and theives and wild animals. They needed protection, as we all do, from those. That's a lot different than being persecuted for one's faith. To not protect ourselves against theives and murderers...being victims without cause, is a far cry from being a martyr for our faith.

    Luke 22:35-36
    And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.


    It would be tempting the Lord to walk down through crank town in the middle of the night expecting the Lord to keep you safe. Actually not much different than stepping out in front of a logging truck, thinking He'll keep us from getting ran over.

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