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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    Is it wise for pro-life groups to fight for abortion regulation laws such as parental notification and partial birth abortion bans?
    No. It's not wise. If you're going to fight, you should fight to win. You should not fight to draw. If you fight to draw the opposition will definitely win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    If you're going to fight, you should fight to win.



    should you fight by the enemy's rules?

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    Economically... no, I think it's going to cost more than it will be worth (the powers of the laws gained), and many governors seem to have noticed (the pro-life ones).

    Ideologically is it worth it? If that's what you believe, have at it, that's the beauty of a democracy.

    To those who are for murdering abortion doctors though, or are impartial to it, I have no respect for you, I actually dislike you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    yes if only to remind others that we can do something about abortion
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    voting republican is not the only thing you can do about it
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    it must be the first thing that you do about it
    Good thread

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    Something is better than nothing. Many within the pro-life movement seem to want to slice their noses (and allow the deaths of children) out of a depraved sense of spite.

    Oh, and if you really want to reduce abortion rates, make birth control cheap, accessible, and not a subject of scorn, shame, or prohibition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granite View Post
    Something is better than nothing. Many within the pro-life movement seem to want to slice their noses (and allow the deaths of children) out of a depraved sense of spite.

    Oh, and if you really want to reduce abortion rates, make birth control cheap, accessible, and not a subject of scorn, shame, or prohibition.

    And just how do Christians do that??? -- The same way the same fools try to teach Christ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granite View Post
    Something is better than nothing. Many within the pro-life movement seem to want to slice their noses (and allow the deaths of children) out of a depraved sense of spite.

    Oh, and if you really want to reduce abortion rates, make birth control cheap, accessible, and not a subject of scorn, shame, or prohibition.
    Make birth-control free for whoever wants it. If they want birth control, they clearly don't want a child and they're going to have sex anyway.

    If people can repent for murder and join Christianity, I'm sure not forcing pregnancy on them is fine. Separation of church and state, come up with a better argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letsargue View Post
    And just how do Christians do that??? -- The same way the same fools try to teach Christ??

    Paul -- 041913
    If evangelicals got out of the way the pro-life movement could make significant inroads.

    I sincerely believe this is a war designed to be fought, not won, and that perpetuating it serves the agenda of a few as opposed to the needs of millions who've been murdered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granite View Post
    If evangelicals got out of the way the pro-life movement could make significant inroads.

    I sincerely believe this is a war designed to be fought, not won, and that perpetuating it serves the agenda of a few as opposed to the needs of millions who've been murdered.

    I couldn’t agree with you more, but it’s just not the Christian’s fight. -- Satan and his false doctrines and his teachers are the enemies of Christ; - not civil law, and the lawyers and their sympathizers. – The Gospel is the only thing the Christian is to teach, which is the “Whole Word of God”!!

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    So, what did you do to save my life?

    Quibbled and talked about sex.

    Gee. Thanks for nothing.
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    I wanna make one thing perfectly clear...

    Abortion is a human rights issue. Nothing more, nothing less.

    What I say will infuriate many of you, and surprise some of you. No way around that. Fine. You all have opinions of me that were settled on long ago. This won't change a thing.

    Is abortion murder?

    Yes. Sometimes, it is.

    Is it acceptable, sometimes?

    Yes, it is.

    Sorry, but that's the truth of the matter.

    As a humanist, I look for the benefit of the greater good in virtually every situation. The human dynamic burdens us with the question of what truly outweighs the cost of every interaction we make, no matter whether the end game is distasteful to our sensibilities or offends a type of moral outrage we've never considered.

    Opposition to abortion in the United States is truly a Christian's game; a secularist or atheist opposed to abortion on demand is loathe to sit at the same table, assuming he or she will even be welcomed.

    Secularists are more inclined to treat the issue on a case by case basis. Evangelical opponents of abortion are wont to be so absolute on the issue as to terminate meaningful, or pragmatic, discussion.

    Thus, we are decades post Roe and nowhere near a solution vis a vis abortion on demand, with Republicans accurately portrayed as misogynistic out of touch lunatics. Make no mistake: Whatever you make of partisan politics in America, 21st century hardcore conservatives are, and will remain, on the losing side of this issue.

    The issue, of course, is not abortion in and of itself. Since evangelicals carjacked the GOP in the late 1970s this has been self-evident. The issue, simply, plainly, put, is...sex.

    Evangelicals don't like most of it, and it shows.

    Want to reduce abortion? Want to reduce unplanned or unwanted pregnancies? Well, simple. Don't let them happen.

    Planned Parenthood's "every child a wanted child" may strike you as distasteful, perhaps even too damned pragmatic for its own good...but upon consideration, it is plainly, baldly, self-evidently true.

    Abortion inherently involves the destruction of human life; of this, even the brazenest pro-choice advocate could not dispute. Nor do others who acknowledge its horribly if sometimes morally requisite reality.

    But to suggest an all-or-nothing approach to this dispute points to zealots interested in perpetuating a war, not ending it.

    To end or reduce abortion the evangelicals who dominate the pleasantly-voiced half of the discussion must end their war on sex.

    Then, and only then, will abortion in America cease being a service on demand, and will eventually become an unusual medical case in times of extreme and unavoidable demand.

    Those who bring their Bibles to this discussion must eventually admit that there are others who simply bring their conscience. This is enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by resurrected View Post
    should you fight by the enemy's rules?
    The enemy is defined by those who will not abide proper authority. They have no rules. We should fight according to God's rules. With justice and love as our guiding principles.

    No, not according to their rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xAvarice View Post
    Make birth-control free for whoever wants it.
    Do that. Start a tab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granite View Post
    Abortion is a human rights issue.
    Why should humans have rights?
    Why not just survival of the fittest?

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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