ARCHIVE: The Apostle Pauls affirms that a Christian can sin.
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It's not. That's why Lighthouse is wrong to use the sweeping assertion that Christians CANNOT sin.Inu Yasha said:
elected4ever
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Knight, would you answer my question in post 226?
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precisely the point Inu Yasha!Inu Yasha said:
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I'm not deceived and I know what deception is. You are deceived and practice that deception all the time. You are just mad that I know you for who you really are. Christ has no part in you and does not know you.Benjamin said:
Doing something wrong.elected4ever said:
The word sin can be specific or general. The word sin can be both a noun or a verb.
The apostle Paul knew how to use the word sin you should learn from him.
:up: See above.elected4ever said:
Fred is Fred.Inu Yasha said:
Fred may have two natures but as Lighthouse rightly pointed out...
it was Fred who sinned.
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All you have said is that a christian can violate human law. No disagreement there but that is not what I ask and you are trying to sidestep the question. If all things are legal to me then what is sin?Knight said::up: See above.
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If Fred was born again he did not sin but he will go to jail.Knight said:
I already answered.elected4ever said:
The word sin can be used in various ways... transgressing the law, missing the mark, committing acts of evil or just doing things that are wrong.
You, Lighthouse, and Sozo fail to recognize the wide range of uses for the word sin. Because of your own failure to recognize the wide range of the word sin you have drawn yourself into a corner of confusion. Getting out of the corner is as easy as admitting... "Ok, I see... I guess the word sin is used in the Bible in a more broad way than I originally thought."
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elected4ever said:
Knight said:
This is side stepping the issue?
Just because all things are lawful for a Christian does not mean that sin doesn't exist. It is legal (though not profitable) for you to sin without it being held against you because of grace.
elected4ever said:
Lighthouse seems to disagree with you.
Lighthouse said:
Fred sinned. It was legal for Fred to do so because Fred no longer has any kind of sin account held against him. Though Fred sinned, God will judge Fred righteous as if Fred never did anything wrong.
What did Fred do? Do you have a general term for it?elected4ever said:
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So then what did Fred do? Do you have a name for it? Do you have a general term for things that would be sin if not for the fact that a person is a Christian?Sozo said:
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.Knight said:
1. transgressing the law ------ God's law is dead to us and we to it. How can we violate what does not exist for us.
2. missing the mark, ------------Who's mark, man's or God's or our own. Sin is the contradiction of God. If we are no loner in contradiction but in Christ and God is it that God has become a contradiction to Himself.
3. committing acts of evil -------Are you saying that the righteous can do evil. If so, by whoes standard. We do as our righteous nature allows.
4. just doing things that are wrong --------- How are those who that are righteous do that which is wrong. If the righteous do wrong then the righteous would no longer be right and therefore not righteous.
We can't.elected4ever said:
You have already admitted that we can act out our fleshy desires. Therefore the fleshy part of us can miss the mark.
Are you suggesting that it's impossible for a Christian to do something evil? (by God's standard)
You are 100% wrong. The righteous stay righteous even in the face of sin because Christ COVERS our sin. It isn't that we can't do wrong, it's that we are no longer held accountable for doing wrong.
Romans 4:7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered; 8 Blessed is the man to whom the LORD shall not impute sin.”