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    toldailytopic: What is Open Theism? What do you think of it?

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    It was predestined to be conceived.

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    Open theism, openness, free will theism, is essentially a belief that truth is not mediated by statements but by relationships.

    Christian faith, in particular, is thus not an adherence to certain doctrines but a relationship of trust in Jesus Christ.

    Such a relationship - an open relationship - implies respect for the other. This means that the other is not your servant, is not there to suit just you but exists in their own right.

    It also means that you can't easily make general statements about the other in a relationship because in so doing you limit the scope of the other's existence.

    It also means that what statements we do make about the other party in a relationship are necessarily contextual and not absolute.

    Open theism is specifically about the openness of God and relationship to God as an open being. Openness is a more general term about the nature of reality as a whole and how reality is mediated entirely by relationships and not by absolute statements. Free will theism is a specific theology that focuses on the notion that human beings have free will and that that free will determines the outcomes of the world, in contrast to the Calvinistic doctrine of predestination where free will is redefined from the natural, intuitive sense of a choice which affects the outcome of the world to instead a selection from specific options, the exact option chosen being manipulated in some way by God to conform to his own will.
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    What do I think of it?

    Openness is the only way to explain life. It is the only way to explain reality.
    Total Misanthropy.
    Uncertain salvation.
    Luck of the draw.
    Irresistible damnation.
    Persecution of the saints.

    Time is an illusion; lunchtime doubly so.
    (The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy)

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    Dialogos: Calvin, as a sinner, probably got some things wrong.
    Brandplucked: I'm shocked that other people disagree with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    The TheologyOnline.com TOPIC OF THE DAY for April 10th, 2013 05:00 AM


    toldailytopic: What is Open Theism? What do you think of it?
    People make more of this term, perhaps, than they should. In short--Open Theism is a term for a living God- a Biblical God that hears your prayers. Not a preprogrammed God with your future set in stone. He is a God that willing that none should end up in hell.
    2 Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

    He is a God that has given you a free will because He loves you. I believe in a living God. How about you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    b]toldailytopic: What is Open Theism? What do you think of it?[/b]
    It is a belief that God is open to change His mind in response to what He sees happening in real time.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    I think Open Theism is an attempt to elevate men to an equal standing with God.

    Calvinists also believe in relationship between God and man, but we attribute it to Covenantalism, all of which God provides and performs for our good.

    For He is far greater than man, who will never be His equal.

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    " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
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    I don't know what Open Theism is but I'm not about to study anything concerning God that says that God can't or doesn't know everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky. View Post
    I don't know what Open Theism is but I'm not about to study anything concerning God that says that God can't or doesn't know everything.
    I suppose that includes the Bible?
    Learn to read what is written.

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    what becomes most interesting is the idea that man has to develop multiple explanations regarding God's relationship to man, in an attempt to understand/grasp the unknowable actions of God.
    Its similar to the never ending array of books on Knowing the Will of God, in an attempt to discern what God would have someone do, when there is no clear path or explanation as to what has befallen someone.

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    God never spoke of it; - so how could any Christian speak "Truthfully" of it? - God never spoke of the Catholics, Baptists, Mormons, or any other Group other than the "Body of Christ, His Church". IT; we can give Truth to support it.

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    Deut 12:8 You shall not do at all what we are doing here today, every man doing whatever is right in his own eyes ;
    Open theism is doing what is right in your own eyes. Who needs the fear of God or keep the commandments of God when you can do what is right in your own eyes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by False Prophet View Post
    Open theism is doing what is right in your own eyes. Who needs the fear of God or keep the commandments of God when you can do what is right in your own eyes?
    Not quite.

    Open Theism is taking responsibility for our own actions and attitudes instead of claiming that God predestined us to sin.
    Learn to read what is written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Not quite.

    Open Theism is taking responsibility for our own actions and attitudes instead of claiming that God predestined us to sin.
    Indeed, without it, there would be neither responsibility nor moral values. The fact that the real world is open is exactly what gives rise to moral values.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desert Reign View Post
    Indeed, without it, there would be neither responsibility nor moral values. The fact that the real world is open is exactly what gives rise to moral values.
    License never leads to morality.

    Morality comes from outside fallen men, as a gift of grace from God.

    There are no inherent moral values apart from the moral standards of God (Law), and the only access sinners have to those standards is by righteousness being imputed to them from Jesus Christ.

    Solus Christus!
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

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