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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi , and it is obvious , that you do not know what the Perfect Tense means in Eph 2:8 ??
    SAVED/SOZO is in the Greek Perfect Tense , Passive Voice and a Participle !!
    It should read , " For by Grace , HAVING BEEN SAVED " is the correct Translation .
    But , you did not know that ??
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    Well I'm not sure who you are trying to impress, but most modern English versions clearly show Paul is addressing his present audience in the past tense as far as their salvation is concerned. They all pretty much say; "have been saved" See here Are you trying to tell us you know better than over 250 Biblical scholars that translated these five versions?
    What kind of credentials do you actually have?


    But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect. 1 Peter 3:15 (NIV)
    Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 2 Tim 2:15 (NIV)
    For this very reason, make every effort by your faith to produce virtue, by virtue knowledge, 6 by knowledge self-control, by self-control steadfastness, by steadfastness godliness, 7 by godliness brotherly affection, and by brotherly affection love. 8 For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will make you effective and productive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:5-8 (NIV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi , and there is a TWO PRESENT TENSE verb in Rom 10:10 , " MAN BELIEVETH " and " Confession is made " and also in the Passive Voice and in the Indicative Mood of FACT .

    The Present tense speaks to CONTINUOUS ACTION in the present time !!

    Check the internet and see , is what I do !!

    I suggest you learn to use the response tools properly. They are kind of screwed up in their format.

    I have no idea what point you were trying to make here. Maybe you can try this one again without trying to impress me with the grammatical jargon.


    But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect. 1 Peter 3:15 (NIV)
    Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 2 Tim 2:15 (NIV)
    For this very reason, make every effort by your faith to produce virtue, by virtue knowledge, 6 by knowledge self-control, by self-control steadfastness, by steadfastness godliness, 7 by godliness brotherly affection, and by brotherly affection love. 8 For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will make you effective and productive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:5-8 (NIV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanJ53 View Post
    Acts 19:1-7 is a good example.
    Hi , and a good example of Water Baptism ??

    Or , does Acts 19:6 speak to what happened in Acts 2 , where they spoke in Tongues and Prophesied , as the apostles did in Acts 2:17-18 ??

    I have to leave as my time is all used up !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanJ53 View Post
    I suggest you learn to use the response tools properly. They are kind of screwed up in their format.

    I have no idea what point you were trying to make here. Maybe you can try this one again without trying to impress me with the grammatical jargon.

    Hi , and my time is gone and I tried to hurry !!

    You should learn what verb tense mean , as some verses have up to 5 verbs that describe ACTION and these tenses are not just JARGON and I take as an answer of " I do not know what they mean , and that you SHOULD learn them !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi , and Abraham , Issac , and Jacob were saved before Jesus died , what say you ?

    And they we be in the Millennial Kingdom , Matt 8:11 !!

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    I don't know.

    This is a great verse meaning do we want to discuss it further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi , and a good example of Water Baptism ??

    Or , does Acts 19:6 speak to what happened in Acts 2 , where they spoke in Tongues and Prophesied , as the apostles did in Acts 2:17-18 ??

    I have to leave as my time is all used up !!

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    I don't think so. It doesn't say anything about water baptism. It talks about the Holy Spirit baptism.

    This is a separate incident apart from Acts 2 obviously.


    But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect. 1 Peter 3:15 (NIV)
    Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 2 Tim 2:15 (NIV)
    For this very reason, make every effort by your faith to produce virtue, by virtue knowledge, 6 by knowledge self-control, by self-control steadfastness, by steadfastness godliness, 7 by godliness brotherly affection, and by brotherly affection love. 8 For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will make you effective and productive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:5-8 (NIV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi , and my time is gone and I tried to hurry !!

    You should learn what verb tense mean , as some verses have up to 5 verbs that describe ACTION and these tenses are not just JARGON and I take as an answer of " I do not know what they mean , and that you SHOULD learn them !!
    dan p

    You act like someone who has just discovered English.
    Are you learning it now? Trust me I don't need to learn English from you. BTW, what were those credentials again?
    I DIDN'T say "I do not know what they mean", I said, "I have no idea what point you were trying to make here".

    See the difference?


    But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect. 1 Peter 3:15 (NIV)
    Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 2 Tim 2:15 (NIV)
    For this very reason, make every effort by your faith to produce virtue, by virtue knowledge, 6 by knowledge self-control, by self-control steadfastness, by steadfastness godliness, 7 by godliness brotherly affection, and by brotherly affection love. 8 For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will make you effective and productive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Peter 1:5-8 (NIV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi and there many positions as to when the Body of Christ began !!

    #1 , Some say the Body of Christ began in the Garden with Adam and Eve , which are called Covenant or Reformed Theologians !!

    #2 , Then you have Acts 2 people , who say the Body of Christ began at Acts 2 , with Pentecost , on a Jewish Festival !!

    #3 , The there are those in the Acts period who begin it with Paul , Acts 9 ; Acts 11 ; Acts 13 ; and Acts 28 er's !!

    I am Acts 9:6 , a Pauline Dispensationalist !!

    dan p
    Technically speaking the body of Christ started at the time of the resurrection. How do we know this? The scriptures state that Christ while three days and three nights in the earth took the O.T. Saints to heaven. Thus, from this time forward all those that died in Christ went to heaven not sheol or the divided place for the dead. The empowering of the body of Christ came at Pentecost 50days later.

    Also if you read Acts, the church was already happening before Paul. God spoke to a disciple of Christ to go get Paul in his time of blindness. Was this person not part of the body of Christ because Paul was not on the seen yet? Paul spent three years in the mountains with Christ to be discipled. Was the Church put on hold until Paul completed his training? Something to think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcetc View Post
    Also if you read Acts, the church was already happening before Paul..
    There was a church before Paul, but it was the circumcision. AKA, Israel. Paul's church, the Body of Christ began with Paul. Paul did not endure to the end, nor was he required to endure to the end. Paul says he is the pattern, the proptype for the Body of Christ. Do you know what a prototype is?
    Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    Titus 1

    For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

    Ephesians 5

    11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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    Quote Originally Posted by Untellectual View Post
    I don't know.

    This is a great verse meaning do we want to discuss it further.

    Hi , and why not start a thread on , on Matt 8:11 , as it is very deep !!

    dan p

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    [QUOTE=rcetc;As a side note: I am a biblicist and do not hold to any one theological system of belief.[/QUOTE]


    Hi , and how do you understand 1 Cor 2:14 ??

    dan p

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    [QUOTE=rcetc;34Also if you read Acts, the church was already happening before Paul. God spoke to a disciple of Christ to go get Paul in his time of blindness. Was this person not part of the body of Christ because Paul was not on the seen yet? Paul spent three years in the mountains with Christ to be discipled. Was the Church put on hold until Paul completed his training? Something to think about.[/QUOTE]


    Hi , and what does Acts 2:47 , mean ??

    What is the name of this EKKLESIA /ASSEMBLY ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by StanJ53 View Post
    You act like someone who has just discovered English.
    Are you learning it now? Trust me I don't need to learn English from you. BTW, what were those credentials again?
    I DIDN'T say "I do not know what they mean", I said, "I have no idea what point you were trying to make here".

    See the difference?

    Hi , then lets try this , Is salavation in the Aorist tense ?? Which means the simple past tense !

    Or is it in the Imperfect tense ?? Which means Continuous action in Past time !!

    Or is it in The Future Tense ? Or is slavation in the Future , some where ?


    Or , would you say the Present Tense ? Or is salvation always in the Present time ??

    Or , it does not have a tense , and does not make a difference !!

    Take your pick , and I hope you understand my English , better !!

    I do not have credentials , and bearly speak and type English and have a dictionary at my right hand !!

    dan p
    Last edited by DAN P; April 3rd, 2013 at 12:34 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi , and why not start a thread on , on Matt 8:11 , as it is very deep !!

    dan p
    Matthew 8:11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Untellectual View Post

    Hi , and this is what I meant :

    #1 , What is the timeline of Matt 8:11 ?

    #2 , What is the Kingdom of Heaven ??

    #3 , In the Kindom of Heaven , Abraham , Isaac and Jacob have there Idenitity !!

    #4 , They will be coming from the East and from the West to see Abraham in the Millennial Kingdom !!

    #5 , The Body of Christ is going to be in Heaven and there is NEITHER , MALE nor FEMALE !!

    #6 , And there a DIFFERENCE between Paradise , where the OT saints went when they died and Heaven , where we go when we die ??

    dan p
    Last edited by DAN P; April 3rd, 2013 at 01:04 PM.

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