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    If I was named Halley I'd start a blog and name it Halley's Comment.

    Then 75 years later I'd repost...because sometimes a joke is all about timing
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    So Jesus said, "Blessed are the peacemakers" and "[A] house divided against itself cannot stand." But in a nation still largely Christian, how often do we actually elect peacemakers or guard against division?

    I've heard many a call in church to pray for our leaders to have wisdom. I think maybe we need to start praying for ourselves to manage it as well.

    If you hate your neighbor, left or right, if you hold something other than concern and love for them, you are not advancing the gospel and it's time to do better than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    But in a nation still largely Christian, how often do we actually elect peacemakers or guard against division?
    We need to get rid of those who depend on division in their thirst for power, the lefty Democrats!

    Identity politics is all they have!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    We need to get rid of those who depend on division in their thirst for power, the lefty Democrats!

    Identity politics is all they have!
    That one may win the "Unintentionally Ironic Post of the Year" award if chrys ever starts that up again. It's fine to be different and to have differences. But people like you are literally ruining the public square, Jerry. You preach the politics of division, not difference. The politics of war.

    That's suicide for a republic.
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    Watching the fare offered by the networks I'm thinking my old idea of a hospital trauma unit run by genius toddlers isn't such a bad idea...and you can't beat the title: Peek-a-Boo ICU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    I'm generally more interested in the more cutting edge side of film and TV where it's not so much of an issue but I still like blockbusters
    Ha! You almost had me, but I know Blockbusters went out of business years ago.

    Well, I'm not one to cry PC at any given thing
    I wouldn't think that you would. Now show me your "but"...and I mean that in a straight, white way...which I think has some connection to Broadway. Maybe.

    and I've little time for garbage such as traditionalism equating to white straight males even though I am one.
    I'd say that it's empirically observable in just about every major media form for the lion's share of their existence.

    In film and tv almost every lead/central figure/protagonist has been white and male.

    [Monroe] was a beauty and glamour icon and nobody is for "everyone".
    Agreed across the broad...board. Across the board.

    There's a reason why certain people are generally regarded as beautiful, pretty, handsome etc and there's science behind it too. Facial symmetry, bone structure etc. As to Bogart then it was more probably more down to his presence and character than physical appearance else who do you suppose would win in a "better looking contest" between Brad Pitt and Jack Black?
    Well that's baiting the field a bit. Who would win between Brad Pitt and a younger Harrison Ford? Or Brad Pitt and a bowl of Raisin Bran, which is extraordinarily symmetrical in a spoon. Much like Pitt and Jolie back in their day.

    Or Doctor Who as a woman.
    I like her as an actress, I don't like the angle as effectively the doctor is a male despite regenerations and after Tenant/Piper it just doesn't work.
    The Doctor was male, just like he was an old guy who didn't so much as wink at the ladies once upon an incarnation. I think it will excite more people than it alienates.

    Still, if Tenant and Rose had got together then what would have happened once "he" changed into Whitaker?
    Something a lot of straight males would probably have set their dvrs to capture.

    But if this is the alternative...
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    It sounds like you're changing your tune now.
    No idea why you'd think that. I supported the nomination before the hearing. During the hearing I noted that her testimony was consistent with what I'd expect from someone telling the truth and that I found his testimony on the point as good as could be proffered. In short, isolated that way I didn't see how a call could be made, and that would have worked in Kavanaugh's favor. Because if you can't tell what the truth is then you have to go with the truth you know and we're back to qualification.

    But the judge went beyond that response and those remarks. It was in doing that where he lost my belief in and support for his nomination. Though I've also said that in making statements I found less than frank and credible outside of the question that sponsored the hearing it would be reasonable to apply a Latin maxim from school that was noted during the hearing, translated roughly as, to be false in one thing is to bring reasonable question as to the rest. If you apply it you might reduce the balance between the parties testimony and find for Dr. Ford, but I didn't alter my support on that principle.

    So, do you think Kavanaugh should sue Ford?
    No, because of the standard for public figures. He'd have to prove the testimony of Ford was willfully malicious. And he'd have his own testimony working against him, where he essentially fails to evidence any belief that that is the case, instead placing the blame elsewhere and inferring a serious mistake driven by trauma when it comes to Ford.

    That would be hard for him to change now without looking like a calculating political operative, which might then throw the larger question into play.

    Among the questions Dr. Ford's lawyer would ask (or more likely file in a successful motion to dismiss):

    L: Justice Kavanaugh, and please limit your response to a yes or no, you're aware the standard for your suit would require either a knowing falsity on the part of Dr. Ford or a reckless disregard for the truth?
    L: And referring back to the hearing where you offered testimony under oath, and again limiting your testimony to a yes or no, did you at any time level that accusation at Dr. Ford?
    L: Again, limiting your response to a yes or no, didn't you, in fact, proffer something closer to that charge at others, at a larger conspiracy outside of Dr. Ford's person and control?
    L: And again, limiting your answer to a yes or no, did you, in point of fact, testify and characterize Dr. Ford's testimony as mistaken and stemming from a trauma you found credible if misplaced?
    L: And, limiting your answer to yes or no, is it your testimony now that you believe something differently about Dr. Ford's testimony?
    L: And which time should we find you credible?
    L: Now, Justice Kavanaugh, let's talk about your credibility, which is at the heart of your altered position before us today. Let's begin with your drinking...

    Just not in his best interest to do it. Beyond the above Dr. Ford's team would be able to have witnesses subpoenaed and testimony and cross as a part of the public record. No, the Justice will leave this one alone and he should. There's little chance of gaining anything and a great deal to lose. He's going to look to rehabilitate his reputation from the bench, where he has control, and not from some court docket where he's again in a subordinate position, an environment he doesn't appear to exactly thrive in.
    Leading to...
    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    Gobbldeygook
    Maybe the former is better.


    Though there are moments...like a longer conversation with Idol on a few things...
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    I like to talk about sports without mentioning the line, but you helped me to get a handle on the vocabulary so that I could continue to talk sports with you all, and how to transform what I wanted to say into this new way for me of talking sports. So I appreciate that.
    De nada.

    I've enjoyed football intrinsically from my youth, when I played it. And then Tom Brady happened on my watch as a fan, so I was a goner.
    Greatest system quarterback of all time. I'm kidding. That's Peyton payback. Can't be helped. I think Brady is a lot like the NBA's Jabar. The only person who has been as good for nearly as long is Brees, who may take that title from him.

    I love the whole GOAT debate. I don't put any modern qb on that pedestal though. I mean rules changes 90s on modern. Marino breaks 5k and it stands for nearly a quarter century, until those offense friendly changes gave birth to Manning, Brady, and Brees. Okay, Stafford got one too. And that alone tells you how much easier it was. Brees managed it 5 times.

    If there's a GOAT, to me it's Montana. Four Super Bowls, four wins. No ints. No losses. Not a single game where his quarterback rating was under 100. Freakish.

    But we are exclusive. We and we alone believe in the Empty Tomb, we believe Easter, we believe Christ's Resurrection is nonfiction fact of history. Your small corner of the world has a microphone recording to a 'podcast' that's 'broadcast' the world round. There's never been greater leverage in small corners of the world as there is today.
    I believe in the moment and the face I'm staring into. There is where I see my obligation and there is where I find Christ more often than not.

    Everything beyond grace and gratitude is a mystery to me, but I'm ecstatic in that revelation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    So Jesus said, "Blessed are the peacemakers" and "[A] house divided against itself cannot stand." But in a nation still largely Christian, how often do we actually elect peacemakers or guard against division?

    I've heard many a call in church to pray for our leaders to have wisdom. I think maybe we need to start praying for ourselves to manage it as well.

    If you hate your neighbor, left or right, if you hold something other than concern and love for them, you are not advancing the gospel and it's time to do better than that.
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    What I love about reading...it is the only art form where we experience the other, the mind of the artist, as intimately. When we read, we bring their thoughts into our mind, and that happens before we apply ourselves to them. In that regard it is unlike any other form of art.


    So it doesn't surprise me that the more well read a person is the more tolerant and empathetic they tend to be (Scientific American, Oct. 4, 2013). It rather follows, as an expansion of who we are should follow. Walking in the shoes of another, or the thoughts of another, changes something in us if we pay attention.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    So Jesus said, "Blessed are the peacemakers" and "[A] house divided against itself cannot stand." But in a nation still largely Christian, how often do we actually elect peacemakers or guard against division?

    I've heard many a call in church to pray for our leaders to have wisdom. I think maybe we need to start praying for ourselves to manage it as well.

    If you hate your neighbor, left or right, if you hold something other than concern and love for them, you are not advancing the gospel and it's time to do better than that.
    The Anabaptist might say that the nations of this world naturally engage in activities of which the Christian cannot and should not participate.... so to answer "how to elect peacemakers?" You don't elect leaders, you live in the world but not of the world. If that is universally observed, it would also prevent Christian division.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    The Anabaptist might say that the nations of this world naturally engage in activities of which the Christian cannot and should not participate.... so to answer "how to elect peacemakers?" You don't elect leaders, you live in the world but not of the world. If that is universally observed, it would also prevent Christian division.
    It's a tough call. I think we can't really love our neighbor and withdraw from a process that can further his good...and I also wonder if we can give what we should give to Caesar and fail our civic obligation. And that's before we come to the idea of the kinds and quality of our witness, but I appreciate the thought. I don't agree with it, but I'm interested in the conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    It's a tough call. I think we can't really love our neighbor and withdraw from a process that can further his good...and I also wonder if we can give what we should give to Caesar and fail our civic obligation. And that's before we come to the idea of the kinds and quality of our witness, but I appreciate the thought. I don't agree with it, but I'm interested in the conversation.

    1. I am not sure that voting left (or right) is the intended application of love thy neighbor... Certainly your neighbor might disagree with how you might choose to love him in this manner.

    2. I don't live in a country that can force you to vote (or endorse) any of the candidates or political parties or current rulers. Maybe some people do live in such a country, but I suspect in many places that there is also freedom to abstain from the political selection process, which could also be considered a "null" vote.

    3. Again, this may depend where you live, but in the hemisphere I am familiar with evil owns all ends of the political spectrum. Placing any hope or faith in one of the offered sides can lead to a misplaced faith in a system that follows the god of this world. I accept that the world and its governments are evil, and that they will ultimately stand against and united against Christ when he returns.

    But if I have "no king but King Jesus" then I also know that "my kingdom is not of this world, else would my servants.... " fight? try to replace the current emperor with his rival? It would be so easy to be caught up in an impossible doomed crusade to redeem the beast that blasphemes God. I think so many have gotten caught up in the idea that it is one side or the other, artificial choices that are already tainted.

    Maybe a better way to phrase this might be, "What Would Jesus Do?" Would he vote for this candidate, taking the side of one power base against the other? To usurp one ruling family with another through the vote? "My kingdom is not of this world..." seems to apply. I don't want to hard sell this here, but perhaps it might bear some consideration and some future thought down the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Well sir, your pithy brand of wit has betrayed you on this occasion because I was of course referring to the popular game show of the same name!
    Well, I try not to get pithy without just cause.

    What's more, in an ironic twist of events amid some incredibly interesting trivia, the long running host Bob Holness was also the radio voice of James Bond (and happened to be a white straight male).
    Did you mean Bob Hoskins? Great Britain's answer to Danny DeVito?

    On beauty:
    Well, would Karl Malden have had a chance at any point?
    Not even with the Mrs. And I mean his own, sadly.

    Okay, as long as they don't make [Bond] gay...
    It'll be a miracle if they don't make him superfluous.

    Is that points or pints?
    Yes.

    And a gender shift for a classic:
    In which case the essence of Dr Who has kinda gone on one level.
    But that level opens mostly to a back alley, so who'll miss it? Or is that "Who will miss it."

    Who with?
    Absolutely.

    Spoke to the mistaken notion of where to apply presumption, legally...
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    The whole charade is a horrible offense to the basic principles of justice in which a person is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty...
    The presumption of innocence only exists in a criminal prosecution. The reason for that presumption is that the state is a moving party, the accusing party, and that carries with it the authority and resources of the state. The only chance you or I have of standing against that begins with the presumption and a very hard standard for the prosecution to meet.

    It's a great idea. But it isn't a great idea for a hearing where we don't have the state as an actor, where what we have are two competing narratives and a powerful outcome. It isn't a kangaroo court, or any kind of court. The end of the process wasn't a conviction, but a promotion or the denial of a job opportunity.

    Sadly, the Committee decided to act like attorneys for the disparate sides of the narrative.

    CC was busy exiting on a low note...
    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    ...]Only Ford, Kavanaugh and his buddy know the truth
    That's what I said. You just keep getting funnier.

    but I can tell everyone now that Ford is a lying sack of [redacted]
    You can say anything and if there's one thing your posting here over time has proved it's that you darn near will.

    While on Kavanaugh, WoZ opined...
    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    How would Kavanaugh's life be "totally destroyed" if his accusers were believed?
    His feelings would take a massive hit...it might forever link the bitter taste of defeat to his beloved beer. Beer, man. Have you no soul?

    Talked politics with fool...
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    Elections have consequences.
    Off the quote, but true enough.

    Also unrelated, this election is peculiarly linked to the senate hearing. Trump was elected by fewer votes than were cast for his opponent and the senators voting the nomination out of committee represented fewer Americans than those voting against it.

    Doesn't alter the outcome, of course.

    At least he didn't nominate Giuliani or Ivanka.
    Or a Russian lawyer...so there's that.

    Then chrys said...
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    it is sunday
    can republicans go to church without being confronted by paid protesters?
    You should just be happy to get a lot of liberals near a church.

    You're welcome.

    Responded on what concerned me about the nutter tin hat fringe theory that had been gaining ground before the right wing bomber was found...
    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Rather, what bothered me was that we'd reached the point where some otherwise normal people felt comfortable piling on the crazy train of conspiracy theory. And they did that with only their imagination and willingness to demonize the other as a foundation. Occam sliced them to ribbons. I hope they're a little more rational the next time around.

    And the scrambling began to put lipstick on a pig began...
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    so A Mad Bomber is caught but questions remain.
    You mean the problem for people who wanted to paint this guy as a part of a leftist conspiracy remains. Because we're all smart enough to know they don't acknowledge their errors willfully, much like the man they put in the White House.

    He was smart enough to identify and locate the Trump critics.
    Not deaf or blind then, though he does appear a bit dumb.

    He was smart enough to know how to make a bomb that wouldn't go off.
    Or just not very good at it.

    He was smart enough to do it two weeks before the election
    You left out "He was smart enough to put stamps on them. He was smart enough to get a driver's license," etc.

    Or, your bar for "smart" is nearly in the dirt.

    but not smart enough to know it would just hurt Trump.
    Actually, if they hadn't caught him it might have helped, at least among the following he needed to be galvanized and active. It was already being shaped into that leftist conspiracy nonsense.

    Or maybe he thought he could shoot someone in the street for the president and no one would do anything about it.

    Or maybe there's no reason in this guy relating to the point. Your best effort to reshape the tin foil notwithstanding, maybe his aim was singular and he sought to kill and/or terrorize those who had disparaged his little tin god.

    And my friend summed...
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    Oh please ... like FACTS would ever win out against conspiracies...
    You can't stop them entirely, but you can point out what their crown is made of.
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