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    So after I noted a testy assessment of Foxfire by PJ...
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    Paranoid...lurker...you get any "friendlier" and there's bound to be bloodshed.
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    Pipe down Mr. Witty. Anyone reading the posts from start to finish would see his paranoia and he is in fact a Lurker. Just the facts
    When people feel the need to tell others what's obvious only one thing mostly tends to be.

    And it isn't that.

    And, considering...
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    Listening to right wingers describe liberals is like taking golfing lessons from Helen Keller. Entertaining as heck to watch, but you don't really learn anything about the game.


    Tam suggested...
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    "Harm" does not have to be involved for something to be wrong to do.
    For instance?

    Leading to...
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    Bestiality.
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    Cain brought an offering without faith.
    That was wrong for him to do, but he caused no harm to anyone by bringing that offering.
    Didn't he harm himself?

    On the latest Trump firing...
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    11 days? Spicer is laughing at this one too. The only thing Scaramucci managed to communicate was the ineptness of this administration.

    Leading to...
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    Now you know.
    Funny thing, the more you know the less they appear to.

    PJ asked...
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    What can he do about N. Korea that would meet with your approval
    Take up residence?

    Before taking exception to a golden Flake's right wing objection to Trump...
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    You admire Flake?
    I admire the nerve. And I agree with a few of his criticisms. I haven't read his book yet.

    For that?
    For standing up to his party on principle? Sure.

    Do you see a lot of protectionism and isolationism?
    I don't see a lot of anything from this administration beyond rhetoric. But that rhetoric is in line with the criticism.

    I like Representatives that DON'T write books
    But then, you like presidents who can't write a sentence without a personal pronoun.

    So...
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    I wish I had the time to be a Senator AND write a book
    I wish you were too busy to write a sentence.

    Leading to bridge too far to live under...
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    I wish you actually used your higher education to be something other than Mr. Mom
    When you were a kid your coloring book just looked like one page of whatever shade caught your eye, didn't it.

    In any event, I have been using that expanding education, but that would be under "none of your" in the business column.

    CS was opining on race...
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    I've talked to over 500 white people who used the nword over my lifetime and yet he tries to invalidate that based on the idea of anecdote he does even abide by
    ...One-third of whites admitted to using it at least once or twice in a five year period, according to the 2012 Cooperative Congressional Election Study. So forget 500, a third of whites is a pretty large number.

    According to a wide sampling survey conducted by Unney and Feldman of Stony Brook University, in New York, about 40% of whites in their study admitted to believing "a little or more" that blacks are poor because of racial differences in intelligence. Or, around 40% of whites admitted to being a little or more racist.
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    So CS had a thread about the Death Wish remake...
    Quote Originally Posted by ClimateSanity View Post
    Please go see this movie to enrage leftists.
    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Mostly (these days) Bruce Willis just enrages people who pay to see his movies.

    And...
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    So you are not enraged by the ideas and themes of the movie?
    No, I'm mostly enraged by the quality of the acting I keep running into at the movies. And by the lack of imagination in Hollywood for the past 20 years.

    Then Rusha said...
    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    I will agree on the Nicholas Cage ... but how dare you insult De Niro!
    Two words that put Robert on the latter day Bob Hope egg timer: Bad Grandpa...The whole Death Wish fantasy is so far removed from reality for most people I think you have to consider it the way you do a musical. Sure, groups of people will occasionally behave that way, but mosty not. So watch it for what it is and forget what it pretends to be.

    Then Berean...well...I'm not really sure...
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    So I guess you're not a Batman fan?
    As a comic book or a working social model? No, I'm not in favor of grown men dressing up like bats to fight crime on their own.

    dr had a notion...
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    Putin has hypnotized the entire state of West Virginia!
    Only the ones sans shoes and most of their teeth...point taken.

    chrys was up to his old...
    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    what kind of protection do two guys living together need? -
    The same protections everyone living legally together need. You know, their rights.

    who is trying to kill them?
    Is that the threshold for right? How many people have to want to kill you before you get rights?

    That had pj wondering...
    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    What rights?
    What rights do you have? Those.

    What rights of theirs are being violated?
    That's a situational question dressed up as a principle. Supra, as a principle. Can't be answered situationally without more particularity.

    It used to be, 2 guys living together were just roommates
    It used to be a white and a black living together meant the white owned a slave.

    , WITH RIGHTS. What's wrong with being roommates?
    What's wrong with being married?

    While over in the Mt. Rushmore of whatever you feel like thread, I considered baseball...
    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post

    MLB Mt. Rushmore:

    Babe Ruth: the original still chased decades after his bat went silent.
    Cy Young: 100 wins out in front of the runner up for best pitcher of all time.
    Ted Williams: the last man to hit .400 and one of the canniest hitters of any era. Won his last batting title at 39 years of age.
    Willie Mays: in my opinion, the greatest baseball player of all time. Amazing fielder with a live arm and a deadly bat.

    Hon. Men. : Hank Aaron, Jackie Robinson, DiMaggio, Robinson..

    PJ was mining irony for the right...
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    Send me your lazy, illiterate, free loading criminal masses, with no skills. So we can feed, house and care for them, for free
    Oh you right wing elitists.

    Penned a bit in the Statue of Liberty controversy thread...
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    The Alt-New Colossus (second draft)

    "Give me your rested, your chic,
    Your tanned masses yearning to shop duty free,
    Those venture capitalists of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the privileged whites few to me,
    I hold the pass key to our golden door!"

    (servants entry around the blacks back)


    Wrapping up with chrys trying to kick a fg through freshly set posts...
    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    I am not comfortable with lawyers redefining things
    Like Jefferson, Adams, and around half the founders when they redefined the nature of government among men?

    - I just don't trust them - do you?
    I trust the rule of law they gifted us with over the whims and dispositions of men like you, who confuse their bias with the rule of thumb.

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    Someone wrote on FB: "A beautiful baby gecko got stuck to a sticky trap and I'm devastated."

    Worse, think of all the money she could have saved on her insurance...it's too soon, isn't it.
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    Discovered that when you look at the qb play during their playoff runs, the cream that rises might surprise...

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    Chance of having a bad playoff game (75 qb rating or below):

    Brees: 1%, Rodgers: 12.5%, Montana: 21.5 %, Brady: 26.5%, Favre/Young, Peyton: 33%, Elway: 36%, Marino: 44%

    Chance of having a statistically great playoff game (90+ rating):

    Rodgers: 75%, Brees: 73%, Montana: 60%, Favre: 50%, Brady: 47%, Young: 43%, Peyton/Elway 41%,Marino: 33%

    While elsewhere Rusha made me feel like a cynic with regard to Congress...
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    Perhaps they will finally put country above party.
    Okay, I'm a fan of optimism, but don't overdo it.

    Recalled a recent travail of marriage...
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    Jack is hungry the other evening coming back from swimming lessons and we stop on the way home to get him a happy meal. He says he wants a milkshake with it, so I ask my wife, who is riding in the backseat with him, "Get that as a drink with it?"

    And she says? "What did you just call our son?"


    Our next car is going to have to be a quieter ride.

    And in my Mt. Rushmores thread...
    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    Old school sitcoms: Hal Linden, Bob Newhart, and Ed Asner
    You've never even seen a photo of Mt. Rushmore, have you...

    Rejected CS taking a thing literally instead of literarily...

    Quote Originally Posted by ClimateSanity View Post
    This poem by Emma Lazarus does not mean our immigration policy is to let any and all comers come in unvetted simply because they are poor, tired and huddled. It was never meant to advocate an open borders policy...
    Why attacking poets and trying to make a point no one is arguing is dumb: because you'll look goofy and no one is arguing it, respectively.

    Now a great deal of what our founders put together was fairly poetic in the course of things. The Declaration of Independence is a rhetorically wonderful bit of writing, with or without legal force. Many of the documents we honor as a nation, a great deal of the national sentiment and expectation, aren't reduced to something as dry as the law must be, but those thoughts guide that law, support it like bone.

    And the law, often as not, reflects our aspirations and our highest ideas. When it fails to do that, outside of the pragmatic and mundane (like traffic court) it tends to find itself challenged and undone in time, by process (see: Suffrage/Civil Rights Movement) or by some other means (see: the Civil War).

    The poem noted in its relation to the Statue of Liberty is one of the aspiration variety. It was nobler than popular sentiment when written. Apparently it's nobler today as well. Then again, we've always had a problem with the new guy and the Irish found that out the hard way, as did the Italians, as have most minorities. But despite our worst impulses and resistance we've kept moving toward and fighting for better ideas. That's one thing that distinguishes our social experiment from most. We aren't a noble people, never have been. But we've always dreamed of being and at our best our laws and our poems reflect that impulse, that hope.

    That, as I'm prone to say, ain't hay.

    Answered a good question from PJ...
    Quote Originally Posted by patrickjane View Post
    What insane notion do people have that healthcare costs and premiums will ever go down? Is anything else getting cheaper in the world today? Soak up some more Obamacare for next year.
    Why would it be reasonable? Well, if health care costs are arbitrary, inflated, etc. then it's reasonable. If laws exist that thwart competition and those restrictions are removed it would be reasonable. In short, when we find ourselves paying significantly more (2.5 times more on average) as a percent of our GDP than countries with universal coverage, something is wrong and the fix is in. People know that or sense it.

    Had a long, interesting exchange with exmin on Islam...
    Quote Originally Posted by exminister View Post
    ...I have seen enough to know that while Muslims can act like they are all right, far too many are supportive of suicide bombers, explicitly and implicitly. They wouldn't do it themselves, but they wouldn't call it out.
    Or maybe it's a lot like Germany in the old days for many. First you develop an us/them feeling, fueled and supported by the palpable suspicion, contempt, and even mistreatment by the other (see: what the West did to the Arab world after WWII) until it's ingrained in the culture. That limits the voices being listened to. Then you add the most restrictive and limiting elements of a theocracy the way the brown shirts limited philosophical opposition. And then you process the whole thing with fear and fanaticism. Easy way to keep a population in check and thinking the way you want them to think.

    There are anecdotal cases where a few have called out family members but certainly not enough.
    ...I know a lot of Muslims have been very vocal in opposing terrorism in the name of their God. And I know that most of the people fighting and dying in the war against ISIS were and are Muslim.

    That is the maturity process I expect. The more they publicly call out violence the more Americans can get comfortable with them and come to trust them. The more they stay to themselves and not criticize violence the less they will be trusted. The onus really is on them. Humans give trust to others as the others earn it. Don't you think that is natural and not wrong?
    Probably, but I also recognize that I kept hearing, "Where is Muslim outrage???" after 9/11 while all sorts of Muslims, from scholars to laymen, were decrying murder in the name of God and simply not getting a lot of coverage or attention.

    And a more predictable one with chrys...
    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    men do have free will
    That should be the cutoff.

    -and-
    You mean "but". You were really showing your "but" there, not your "and."

    they are accommodating - they will leave when asked to - most of the time
    So, for those playing at home, Republicans didn't give us Roe except by accommodating the Democrats with nominees who would fail conservative principle and men are mostly accommodating women.

    Liberals and women, the bane of chry's existence and the Vandals of modern history.

    Tomorrow: secret sources sauce that rings a Taco Bell, the basic facts, and PJ's legal problems...sort of...
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    Must proffered a bit of repackaged...hooboy...
    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    Also interesting. Speculative but interesting. A poster at a blog said he found this on FB.
    Okay, I agree it's interesting that anyone would try to use an anonymous poster at an unnamed blog purporting to have found an unsupported bit of declaration to create a degree of disassociation for conservatives. And by interesting I mean neither surprising nor credible.

    But let's look at the crazy thing anyway.

    Unite the Right is a Soros-funded honeypot psy-op that employs the Pied Piper strategy to damage the Republican brand by insinuating that Antifa goons disguised as Nazis represent the views of the entire Right wing in America (This is what Creamer and Democracy Partners have been up to lately.) Some points that give the scam away:
    It looks like the origin of this new narrative/alt take, is none other than Alex Jones. For those unfamiliar, Mr. Jones previous work includes 9/11 as a false flag, and Sandy Hook as a prepared hoax. On Saturday, Jones trotted out the Soros/conspiracy theory to predictable applause from the loons who follow his music while those only strongly needing distance used the trots distantly, as you'd expect. (Newsweek, today).

    4. Reports of violence against "Counter-protesters" at an "impromptu" rally. o one spontaneously organizes to counter-protest an impromptu rally unless they are associated with the organizers of the rally themselves.
    Even money which is worse, the logic or grammar. But why choose?

    5. The name. "Unite the Right". This is so obviously a "Pied Piper" op that I can't even. It is supposed to make the organization appear to represent the views of the entire Right Wing, so of course they go around giving Roman Salutes and waving Confederate flags and shouting "White Power!" while wearing Trump hats. And hen of course these same leftists load up their other twitter accounts and attack Trump for not denouncing them hard enough. Standard divide and conquer nonsense. They are going after what they perceive to be his base of Nazis while tarnishing the Republican brand.
    And then Momma Bear said, "Someone's been snorting my enormous pile of cocaine."

    I'm going to cut through the additional declarative beans to a point anyone reading through it could get behind:

    6. ...Don't fall for this scam.


    So PJ was mulling about the joint...
    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    I wouldn't belong to any group that would have me as a member
    He's currently in the process of being rejected by the League of Ironic Plagiarists...which has to sting...someone.


    Had a difference in focus with Kat about the Charlottesville killer...
    Quote Originally Posted by Ktoyou View Post
    I am being psycholical here, believing the killer may have had desires to be included, but may, for many reasons, not have been known to its members.This often happens, a lone outsider who lives inside his head, rather than outside, takes it upon himself to do what the worst of the group members do in speech and writing...We will see, I bet none of the alt-right groups know this guy.
    And I'm suggesting that those people gave him something to hate, people to reduce to objects and targets for his anger and illness to seek out. Whether or not they claim him is far less important than the claim they had on him.

    Speaking of, rex nailed this response to CS...

    Quote Originally Posted by RealityJerk View Post
    He should also condemn the racism and bigotry on the other side, not just the extreme right. The so called "Black Lives Matter" is filled with black racists. Black people can be just as racist as anybody else.
    Quote Originally Posted by rexlunae View Post
    In other words, "all lives matter".

    In other words, why focus on the problem at hand, when you can go find something else to focus on that's a lot less uncomfortable?

    And the apologetics continued...
    Quote Originally Posted by randomvim View Post
    We should not refrain ourselves from criticising more than just the white nationalists.
    I think it's important to distinguish between tactics and aim. The aim of the Nazi lovers is vile. Opposing that in principle is virtuous. Choosing the wrong means to oppose it may invite reasoned censure, but it doesn't invite the suggestion of moral equivalence.

    To the point where a guy photographed literally wearing a Nazi armband and a Trump hat brought out...
    Quote Originally Posted by randomvim View Post
    wow. one guy in a group of people. wearing a hat ive seen some steal. I dont know what that guy believes and i do not wish to guess at it.
    You don't have to guess. He's wearing his heart on his sleeve.

    its a picture which can tell a thousand lies with the truth.
    You know what should distinguish truth from a lie? Reason. Not desire. So the apparent truth is before you. The question is what reason do you have to doubt it?
    And...
    Quote Originally Posted by randomvim View Post
    ...reason is necessary and so reason tells me that unles I am present at location the picture is taken then there is probability that presentation of said picture could be incorrect.
    Almost anything is possible, but much less is reasonable. So when I see a Nazi salute it is possible that the fellow has a nervous tic, but more likely that he means something by it.

    When we drape ourselves in meaningful symbols we invite the association. It is reasonable to make it and unreasonable to see ambiguity within the expression, even if there's a mathematical possibility of it.

    PJ was back with his latest editorial...
    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Lil Town likes to ridicule and belittle the current administration. But he's not a leftist
    If only you believed the truth you don't mean to tell as readily as you accept the lie you mean to believe.
    And...
    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    Criticizing a republican president does not make one a liberal or a democrat by default.
    Not if you're rational. So you can sort of see his point. And how it could help to keep his cap on in a strong wind.

    Before RJ got at least one thing spot on before cranking out post after pro Russian/anti American posts almost more aggravating as the font he used to do it...
    Quote Originally Posted by RealityJerk View Post
    Trump isn't the anti-establishment rebel, many portray him to be.

    Anyone who bought into the idea of a rich old white guy being a rebel deserves their disappointment.


    Before another random post had me wondering...
    Quote Originally Posted by randomvim View Post
    what dictates the rally to demonstrate against removal of a statue a rally to "unite the right?
    The people who organized it called the association and support. It is reasonable to assert that people who show up for a Scout jamboree understand what they're attending for the most part.

    what qualifies nazis as right wing?
    They do by association and alignment. I'm not suggesting that to be a conservative, even a hard right winger, is to be a racist or Nazi sympathizer, or White Nationalist, only that it doesn't exclude the possibility and that these racists find supporting a right wing agenda in their best interests. That invites a reasonable consideration of why.


    Then PJ had another spell check malfunction...

    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    demonrats have always taken advantage of the poor and minorities
    Usually in the same way a preacher takes advantage of a sinner, though over time they've become virtually indistinguishable from the next group, at least in the corridors of power. That group, caretakers of the hijacked conservative cause, continue in the service of corporate masters who sell you the lottery dream of someday while they systematically reduce the promise of your present and point to the poor, the immigrant, unions, and minorities as the impediment to your opportunity.

    "Same as it ever was..."

    Tomorrow? The importance of beating earnest, blueberries, and Chrys cozying up to the Russians...
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    GM said a curious thing...
    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    Personally, I've always voted Republican, however, I consider myself to be an "Independent Conservative."
    Where does the independent part come in? You choose one conservative over another?

    I think they call that a primary.

    Chrys began another leg in his oddly revisionist rite of passage from adamantly opposed to Trump to the point of withholding his vote (which he once would have sworn made him a baby killer by default) to, well, this...

    Quote Originally Posted by chrysostom View Post
    I still can't believe trump is president and if it was because of the russians, which I will never believe, I would thank the russians
    You'd thank a foreign government for violating the law and influencing an election. Well, it's a good thing you aren't in uniform...or is it?
    Cornwallis, eat your heart out.


    Differed with dr on the Russian question...
    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    But it's ok if we do it.....cause, well, we are into regime change and all...
    I'd say that you're making a mistake relating to the old moral equivalence argument. All killings aren't equal, by way of. If we try to get Hitler ousted it's a good thing. When a thug like Putin tries to influence our Republic it isn't. Not all governments and actions taken in relation to them are inherently equal.

    Continued it with random...
    Quote Originally Posted by randomvim View Post
    ...who is being killed doesnt change morality of the act.
    It completely can. Example: Hitler, Gandhi.

    the act itself is morally wrong and denounced.
    Murder is wrong, for the most part...though if I could murder Hitler before his rise to power I suppose I'd just have to live with it.

    And a little more GM...
    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    Personally, I see Trump that was placed in office by the "Will of God" and is doing a good job of trying to straighten out this Nation.
    What if God put him in power to punish us for voting for him?

    On a more serious note, I answered a thing I get from both sides depending on the issue...

    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    You consistently ignore the left's rhetoric
    Rather, I consistently advocate for a rational and fact centered approach to issues. On a site where almost all of the threads are created and populated by the right, most of what I have to say will address that perspective. Not that long ago I was accused of being an apologist for the religious right by a poster here who was a solid liberal and saw me and my response to his proffer the way people too far to the right to be reasonable, you for one, do from the other side.

    While RJ continued his...
    Quote Originally Posted by RealityJerk View Post
    Yes, the irony. Killing 45 million unborn babies is OK, but Russia releasing dirt on a corrupt American politician is the end of the world as we know it.
    It's not really an either/or. A lot of people opposed to abortion were green lighting Russian sanctions. And no one, not even Congress, is saying it's the end of the world. It's just criminal, willful, wrong and censurable. And there you go.

    And let's end with a last helping of GM...
    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    Obviously, you see things differently. You and I disagree, totally. That's not a big deal, our Nation is divided, as well.
    And that's encouraging too. Most people hate dividing fractions.

    Tomorrow? lost in translating PJ, Trump continues to unite the nation, and what history won't teach some of us...
    You aren't what you eat, but you're always what you swallow.

    Pro-Life







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