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    Jas.5
    [11] Behold, we call those happy who were steadfast. You have heard of the steadfastness of Job, and you have seen the purpose of the Lord, how the Lord is compassionate and merciful.
    I have certainly not excercised the steadfastness of Job. I sat up on my highchair with my rattle, and I cried until somebody stuck a pacifier in my mouth. I liked to take a trip up the river without a paddle, instead of going downstream like God wanted me to do. I went kicking and swinging at the water, but I still went down stream. I went over the cliff, so I grabbed onto a branch; and I yelled, "God, help me!" God said, "Fine, just let go!" Then I looked up, and I said, "Is anybody else up there?"
    Job.2[3] And the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil? He still holds fast his integrity, although you moved me against him, to destroy him without cause."
    God did not personally destroy Job without cause, he dropped his hedge of protection around Job to allow Satan to take away his possessions and his sons and daughters. Now God allows Satan to touch the person of Job, except for loss of life.
    4] Then Satan answered the LORD, "Skin for skin! All that a man has he will give for his life.
    [5] But put forth thy hand now, and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse thee to thy face."
    Job never cursed God inspite of all his calamities. Job was upright before God, and there was nobody like him upon the face of the earth.
    [7]
    So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD, and afflicted Job with loathsome sores from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head.
    Job still did not curse God, and of course Satan left Job's woman around; which men cannot live with, neither can they live without them.
    [9]
    Then his wife said to him, "Do you still hold fast your integrity? Curse God, and die."
    I need to remember what Job said to his woman, and if I say this WWIII will start all over again.
    [10] But he said to her, "You speak as one of the foolish women would speak. Shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?" In all this Job did not sin with his lips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eeset View Post
    Please continue Tambora.
    I will.
    Just been under the weather last night and today.

    I make the alligators look tame.
    A wretched, spiteful, straight-razor totin' woman.
    Lord have mercy.


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    OK, I have stopped sinning, so I feel better now. (haha! --- inside joke between me and Totten).
    So, I'm working on finishing up chapter 6 tonight.

    But first I would like clear up something that may have been misconstrued.

    My sister was reading what I posted about Eliphaz and the spirit being that talked with him (chapter 5 in post #55).
    After reading it, she asked if I thought the spirit being was an evil spirit putting wrong ideas into Eliphaz's head.

    So, just in case anyone else was thinking the same thing, let me say, "No. I do not think it was an evil spirit".

    What the spirit said was correct for many situations.
    So, while the information the spirit gave to Eliphaz was correct, Eliphaz was just misapplying it to Job's situation.

    I make the alligators look tame.
    A wretched, spiteful, straight-razor totin' woman.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Chapter 6 completion

    Job 6 KJV
    (15) My brethren have dealt deceitfully as a brook, and as the stream of brooks they pass away;
    (16) Which are blackish by reason of the ice, and wherein the snow is hid:
    (17) What time they wax warm, they vanish: when it is hot, they are consumed out of their place.
    (18) The paths of their way are turned aside; they go to nothing, and perish.
    What appears at first to be a plentiful cool water source (full of snow and ice) quickly dries up when it is needed the most. (when the weather gets hot).



    (19) The troops of Tema looked, the companies of Sheba waited for them.
    (20) They were confounded because they had hoped; they came thither, and were ashamed (disappointed).
    If you were an army or caravan on the move, your scouts may have told you this seemed like a good place to camp. All that snow and ice would turn into plenty of water.
    Soon after they get there, it dries up and disappointment sets in.



    To paraphrase:
    What looked like a promising source of comfort for me (seeing my fiends coming and sitting with me while I‘m on the hot seat) quickly dried up into no comfort at all.





    (21) For now ye are nothing; ye see my casting down, and are afraid.

    This phrase could go a lot of ways.

    Why were they “afraid”.

    Was it the unexpected shock of the sheer magnitude of the calamity of Job when they actually saw it? (Whoa, I heard about it, but I never dreamed it would be THIS bad).

    Or was it maybe because it went through their mind that if the greatest man in the east could be brought down so quickly ….. what chance would we have?

    Or were they afraid they would be expected to put Job back on his feet financially to the status he used to be?

    Truthfully, I’m not sure. But I sorta lean to the last one because of what Job says next.




    (22) Did I say, Bring unto me? or, Give a reward for me of your substance?
    (23) Or, Deliver me from the enemy's hand? or, Redeem me from the hand of the mighty?
    Have I asked you for anything?





    (24) Teach me, and I will hold my tongue: and cause me to understand wherein I have erred.

    If you can show me what I have done wrong, I will shut up.




    (25) How forcible are right words! but what doth your arguing reprove?
    So far, all of his friend’s words have been very powerful of how God deals with the wicked and is just for doing so.
    But what wickedness of Job have they proved?






    (26) Do ye imagine to reprove words, and the speeches of one that is desperate, which are as wind?
    (27) Yea, ye overwhelm the fatherless, and ye dig a pit for your friend.
    Job feels as though Eliphaz has considered his rash words of grief to be a meaningless nothing from a windbag! Just like an insensitive one couldn’t care less about the fatherless or a neighbor in trouble.



    (28) Now therefore be content, look upon me; for it is evident unto you if I lie.
    (29) Return, I pray you, let it not be iniquity; yea, return again, my righteousness is in it.
    (30) Is there iniquity in my tongue? cannot my taste discern perverse things?
    Look me straight in the eye so you can see I am not lying.
    Rethink what you have said and take back your accusation that there is iniquity in me, and restore my reputation.
    I have not told lies. I know the difference between right and wrong.

    I make the alligators look tame.
    A wretched, spiteful, straight-razor totin' woman.
    Lord have mercy.


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    I cry out, "Woe is me!" But not like Job, I haven't had it that bad.
    Job.3 [3] "Let the day perish wherein I was born,
    and the night which said,
    `A man-child is conceived.'
    [4] Let that day be darkness!
    May God above not seek it,
    nor light shine upon it.
    Jeremiah wished he had never been born. Jeremiah was the weeping prophet who wrote Lamentations.
    Jer.20
    [14] Cursed be the day
    on which I was born!
    The day when my mother bore me,
    let it not be blessed!
    [15] Cursed be the man
    who brought the news to my father,
    "A son is born to you,"
    making him very glad.
    [16] Let that man be like the cities
    which the LORD overthrew without pity;
    let him hear a cry in the morning
    and an alarm at noon,
    [17] because he did not kill me in the womb;
    so my mother would have been my grave,
    and her womb for ever great.
    [18] Why did I come forth from the womb
    to see toil and sorrow,
    and spend my days in shame?


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    I think of the poem of the foot prints in the sand. As I look back behind me I see two sets of foot prints: mine and God's. But when I look back at my times of distress, I see only one set of foot prints. I wonder where was God during this time? God says, "There are only one set of foot prints during those times, because I carried you through those times of distress."
    Lam.3
    [1] I am the man who has seen affliction
    under the rod of his wrath;
    [2] he has driven and brought me
    into darkness without any light;
    [3] surely against me he turns his hand
    again and again the whole day long.
    [4] He has made my flesh and my skin waste away,
    and broken my bones;
    [5] he has besieged and enveloped me
    with bitterness and tribulation;
    [6] he has made me dwell in darkness
    like the dead of long ago.
    [7] He has walled me about so that I cannot escape;
    he has put heavy chains on me;
    [8] though I call and cry for help,
    he shuts out my prayer;
    We may feel like we are the only ones in the world with our problems and afflictions, but there is always somebody who is having a harder time; and many people are going through the same thing, or some have had to go through the same thing that we are going through now. We think that we are unique. Woe is Me! God doesn't love me. Why don't I just ask God for his help and direction?

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    Read the entire life of David for understanding.

    The book of Job concentrates on one section of Davids life, not much on the beginning nor the ending, though the beginning is bought up and very little about the ending.

    Jobs experience is something to look forward to if one aspires to rule with Christ in His throne at His return.

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    My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

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    Job.4
    [7] "Think now, who that was innocent ever perished?
    Or where were the upright cut off?
    [8] As I have seen, those who plow iniquity
    and sow trouble reap the same.
    This does not sound like an evil spirit. It sounds like good sound doctrine. It is evil speaking under the circumstances. Imagine going to a funeral and hearing the preacher speak these words, I can't imagine it because I have never seen it done.
    Job.2
    [11]
    Now when Job's three friends heard of all this evil that had come upon him, they came each from his own place, Eli'phaz the Te'manite, Bildad the Shuhite, and Zophar the Na'amathite. They made an appointment together to come to condole with him and comfort him.

    Some condolence and comfort! With friends like this who needs enemies? Let me answer the above question put forth by Eliphaz anyway.
    Rev.6
    [9]
    When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne;


    [10] they cried out with a loud voice, "O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before thou wilt judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?"
    [11] Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been.
    Job was upright and blameless before God, but he was going through travail. The evil doers will be judged for their sins. God is not mocked! However, the righteous do not always get their way. The apostles and prophets were put to death for preaching the Word of God.

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    Job was upright and blameless before God.
    Job.6[4] For the arrows of the Almighty are in me;
    my spirit drinks their poison;
    the terrors of God are arrayed against me.
    Job was not being judged by God.
    Psalm 7[12] If a man does not repent, God will whet his sword;
    he has bent and strung his bow;
    [13] he has prepared his deadly weapons,
    making his arrows fiery shafts.
    The judgment of God is for unrepentant sinners. We see in Revelation how the men hide themselves under rocks and call for the mountains to fall on top of them to hide them from the wrath of God, but they do not repent for their sins. Psalm 77[16] When the waters saw thee, O God,
    when the waters saw thee, they were afraid,
    yea, the deep trembled.
    [17] The clouds poured out water;
    the skies gave forth thunder;
    thy arrows flashed on every side.
    [18] The crash of thy thunder was in the whirlwind;
    thy lightnings lighted up the world;
    the earth trembled and shook.
    When the LORD redeemed his people did he stretch forth his arm. This is the whirlwind of judgment with the arrows from the LORD. The waters are many peoples, nations, and tongues.
    Psalm 144[5] Bow thy heavens, O LORD, and come down!
    Touch the mountains that they smoke!
    [6] Flash forth the lightning and scatter them,
    send out thy arrows and rout them!
    [7] Stretch forth thy hand from on high,
    rescue me and deliver me from the many waters,
    from the hand of aliens,
    [8] whose mouths speak lies,
    and whose right hand is a right hand of falsehood.
    Job was upright and blameless before God. Jimmy Swaggart said that most of the book of Job was a bunch of balogna! What is it doing in there for? The book of Job has a purpose. All scripture is beneficial.
    All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness ; 2 Tim 3:16

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    Job ends his reply to Eliphaz

    I really love the poetic books of the bible, especially in the KJV.

    The times of speaking with real passion and emotional language is becoming a lost art in the fast paced hustle and bustle of the new techno age.
    Kind of a shame.

    Ahh, to hear ……
    “From women's eyes this doctrine I derive: they sparkle still the right Promethean fire; They are the books, the arts, the academes, that show, contain, and nourish all the world."
    …… instead of …..
    “You look fine.”
    .
    .
    .



    In my opinion, the poetic books of the bible should be read slowly, not hurriedly.
    The emotion in them is astounding.
    Job 7 KJV
    (1) Is there not an appointed time to man upon earth? are not his days also like the days of an hireling?
    (2) As a servant earnestly desireth the shadow, and as an hireling looketh for the reward of his work:
    (3) So am I made to possess months of vanity, and wearisome nights are appointed to me.
    (4) When I lie down, I say, When shall I arise, and the night be gone? and I am full of tossings to and fro unto the dawning of the day.
    (5) My flesh is clothed with worms and clods of dust; my skin is broken, and become loathsome.
    (6) My days are swifter than a weaver's shuttle, and are spent without hope.
    His life is ending, as is the natural order. Man only has an appointed time on earth (which is but a fleeting moment in eternity), and then he dies.
    It is as if he were hired for a long and burdensome task, and now the hard day’s task is done and all you desire is sweet rest.
    But Job has no rest.
    His excruciating aches have dragged on for months with no relief in sight. He cannot sleep due to tossing and turning, desperately trying to find a comfortable position.
    His skin is covered with open sores that clods of dirt cling to.
    Worms infest his skin (probably maggots, or possibly leeches that feed on his rotting flesh, scabs that form around the sores).

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    (7) O remember that my life is wind: mine eye shall no more see good.
    (8) The eye of him that hath seen me shall see me no more: thine eyes are upon me, and I am not.
    (9) As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more.
    (10) He shall return no more to his house, neither shall his place know him any more.
    Job is at the point that he sees no hope of recovery, and only death awaits him.
    Here today, gone tomorrow.


    Now Job will speak, for his time is short.
    If he is to speak his case, it must be now.
    (11) Therefore I will not refrain my mouth; I will speak in the anguish of my spirit; I will complain in the bitterness of my soul.
    (12) Am I a sea, or a whale, that thou settest a watch over me?
    (13) When I say, My bed shall comfort me, my couch shall ease my complaint;
    (14) Then thou scarest me with dreams, and terrifiest me through visions:
    (15) So that my soul chooseth strangling, and death rather than my life.
    (16) I loathe it; I would not live alway: let me alone; for my days are vanity.
    (17) What is man, that thou shouldest magnify him? and that thou shouldest set thine heart upon him?
    (18) And that thou shouldest visit him every morning, and try him every moment?
    (19) How long wilt thou not depart from me, nor let me alone till I swallow down my spittle?
    (20) I have sinned; what shall I do unto thee, O thou preserver of men? why hast thou set me as a mark against thee, so that I am a burden to myself?
    (21) And why dost thou not pardon my transgression, and take away mine iniquity? for now shall I sleep in the dust; and thou shalt seek me in the morning, but I shall not be.


    Oh, Eliphaz, my supposed “friend”. Why did you come to watch me suffer, only to add to my sorrow with your accusations?
    Even if I had transgressed, I am in no shape to make restitution now.
    Just go away and leave me alone.
    Would not a true friend forgive for any transgression I might have committed, and just comforted me in my time of sorrow?
    If I die tonight and you cannot see me in the morning, will you regret how you last treated me?








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    I make the alligators look tame.
    A wretched, spiteful, straight-razor totin' woman.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    I really love the poetic books of the bible, especially in the KJV.

    The times of speaking with real passion and emotional language is becoming a lost art in the fast paced hustle and bustle of the new techno age.
    Kind of a shame.

    Ahh, to hear ……
    “From women's eyes this doctrine I derive: they sparkle still the right Promethean fire; They are the books, the arts, the academes, that show, contain, and nourish all the world."
    …… instead of …..
    “You look fine.”
    .
    .
    .



    In my opinion, the poetic books of the bible should be read slowly, not hurriedly.
    The emotion in them is astounding.
    Job 7 KJV
    (1) Is there not an appointed time to man upon earth? are not his days also like the days of an hireling?
    (2) As a servant earnestly desireth the shadow, and as an hireling looketh for the reward of his work:
    (3) So am I made to possess months of vanity, and wearisome nights are appointed to me.
    (4) When I lie down, I say, When shall I arise, and the night be gone? and I am full of tossings to and fro unto the dawning of the day.
    (5) My flesh is clothed with worms and clods of dust; my skin is broken, and become loathsome.
    (6) My days are swifter than a weaver's shuttle, and are spent without hope.
    His life is ending, as is the natural order. Man only has an appointed time on earth (which is but a fleeting moment in eternity), and then he dies.
    It is as if he were hired for a long and burdensome task, and now the hard day’s task is done and all you desire is sweet rest.
    But Job has no rest.
    His excruciating aches have dragged on for months with no relief in sight. He cannot sleep due to tossing and turning, desperately trying to find a comfortable position.
    His skin is covered with open sores that clods of dirt cling to.
    Worms infest his skin (probably maggots that feed on his rotting flesh, scabs that form around the sores).

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    .
    .
    .
    .



    (7) O remember that my life is wind: mine eye shall no more see good.
    (8) The eye of him that hath seen me shall see me no more: thine eyes are upon me, and I am not.
    (9) As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more.
    (10) He shall return no more to his house, neither shall his place know him any more.
    Job is at the point that he sees no hope of recovery, and only death awaits him.
    Here today, gone tomorrow.


    Now Job will speak, for his time is short.
    If he is to speak his case, it must be now.
    (11) Therefore I will not refrain my mouth; I will speak in the anguish of my spirit; I will complain in the bitterness of my soul.
    (12) Am I a sea, or a whale, that thou settest a watch over me?
    (13) When I say, My bed shall comfort me, my couch shall ease my complaint;
    (14) Then thou scarest me with dreams, and terrifiest me through visions:
    (15) So that my soul chooseth strangling, and death rather than my life.
    (16) I loathe it; I would not live alway: let me alone; for my days are vanity.
    (17) What is man, that thou shouldest magnify him? and that thou shouldest set thine heart upon him?
    (18) And that thou shouldest visit him every morning, and try him every moment?
    (19) How long wilt thou not depart from me, nor let me alone till I swallow down my spittle?
    (20) I have sinned; what shall I do unto thee, O thou preserver of men? why hast thou set me as a mark against thee, so that I am a burden to myself?
    (21) And why dost thou not pardon my transgression, and take away mine iniquity? for now shall I sleep in the dust; and thou shalt seek me in the morning, but I shall not be.


    Oh, Eliphaz, my supposed “friend”. Why did you come to watch me suffer, only to add to my sorrow with your accusations?
    Even if I had transgressed, I am in no shape to make restitution now.
    Just go away and leave me alone.
    Would not a true friend forgive for any transgression I might have committed, and just comforted me in my time of sorrow?
    If I die tonight and you cannot see me in the morning, will you regret how you last treated me?






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    What is man? Job despaired to the point of death as though he believed that his immediate death was immanent.
    Ps.8[4] what is man that thou art mindful of him,
    and the son of man that thou dost care for him?
    [5] Yet thou hast made him little less than God,
    and dost crown him with glory and honor.
    [6] Thou hast given him dominion over the works of thy hands;
    thou hast put all things under his feet,
    This is some biblical answer to the purpose of man.
    Ps.144
    [3] O LORD, what is man that thou dost regard him,
    or the son of man that thou dost think of him?
    [4] Man is like a breath,
    his days are like a passing shadow.
    Compared to God our days are like breath and a passing shadow; such is our comparison to immortality of the flesh.

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    Job.8[13] Such are the paths of all who forget God;
    the hope of the godless man shall perish.
    [14] His confidence breaks in sunder,
    and his trust is a spider's web.
    [15] He leans against his house, but it does not stand;
    he lays hold of it, but it does not endure.
    Job was upright and blameless in the eyes of God. These words ring true for those who do not walk with God: "The hope of godless men shall perish." Without God their is no hope. Our hope is in God, and our hope comes from God.
    My soul, wait in silence for God only, For my hope is from Him. Psalm 62:5
    How blessed is he whose help is the God of Jacob, Whose hope is in the LORD his God, Psalm 146:5

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    Bildad's turn







    Job has been pouring out his expression of sorrow and misery.
    He’s hurting badly.
    His first friend, Eliphaz, added to his sorrow with accusations that he must be deserving of what is happening to him because God just does not pervert justice and turn His back on the righteous.

    Job told Eliphaz, in no uncertain terms, that he was wrong about the integrity of Job, and that he pretty much sucks as a comforter.

    So, what does Job’s second friend, Bildad, do?
    Try to sooth Job’s agony?
    No. Instead, he throws more of the same fuel on the fire!
    Job 8 KJV
    (1) Then answered Bildad the Shuhite, and said,
    (2) How long wilt thou speak these things? and how long shall the words of thy mouth be like a strong wind?
    What a way for a “friend” to start off “comforting”.
    Job, your just a blowhard windbag.






    (3) Doth God pervert judgment? or doth the Almighty pervert justice?
    (4) If thy children have sinned against him, and he have cast them away for their transgression;

    Ahh, yes, more “comfort”.
    Gee whiz, Job. Don’t you realize that if God has cast away your children for their transgression, it was not unjust, because God does not pervert justice?

    ***REMINDER: All that happened to Job, his family, and his substance was without cause. Job 2:3 ***







    (5) If thou wouldest seek unto God betimes, and make thy supplication to the Almighty;
    (6) If thou wert pure and upright; surely now he would awake for thee, and make the habitation of thy righteousness prosperous.
    (7) Though thy beginning was small, yet thy latter end should greatly increase.
    God doesn’t hide from the upright, Job.
    If you were upright, God would be answering you and blessing you.

    ***REMINDER: Job was upright. Job 1:8 ***







    (8) For enquire, I pray thee, of the former age, and prepare thyself to the search of their fathers:
    (9) (For we are but of yesterday, and know nothing, because our days upon earth are a shadow
    (10) Shall not they teach thee, and tell thee, and utter words out of their heart?
    Bildad brings nothing new to table than Eliphaz brought.
    But he does change the reference point.

    Eliphaz references his own personal experiences (his dreams and what he saw and heard with his own eyes and ears).
    Bildad references the accounts of what was seen and heard from those that lived before.
    Eliphaz says learn from my experiences.
    Bildad says learn from the experiences of those before us.
    All good advice in and of itself.
    Not so good if that advice is inserted into a situation where it is misapplied.
    .




    (11) Can the rush grow up without mire? can the flag grow without water?
    (12) Whilst it is yet in his greenness, and not cut down, it withereth before any other herb.
    (13) So are the paths of all that forget God; and the hypocrite's hope shall perish:
    (14) Whose hope shall be cut off, and whose trust shall be a spider's web.
    (15) He shall lean upon his house, but it shall not stand: he shall hold it fast, but it shall not endure.
    (16) He is green before the sun, and his branch shooteth forth in his garden.
    (17) His roots are wrapped about the heap, and seeth the place of stones.
    (18) If he destroy him from his place, then it shall deny him, saying, I have not seen thee.
    (19) Behold, this is the joy of his way, and out of the earth shall others grow.
    This is reminiscent of the parable of the seeds (Matthew 13). Some grow well for a time, but later wither and choke.

    Was Job one who forgot God, or was a hypocrite (verse 13)?
    No.






    (20) Behold, God will not cast away a perfect man, neither will he help the evil doers:
    (21) Till he fill thy mouth with laughing, and thy lips with rejoicing.
    (22) They that hate thee shall be clothed with shame; and the dwelling place of the wicked shall come to nought.
    All perfectly reasonable sayings of God’s character in MOST cases.
    But it is misapplied in the case of Job.
    God actually did make it easy for an evil doer (Satan) to attack a righteous man, by withdrawing His hand of protection.


    What might you think if you did not already know what went on behind the scene?
    Would it not be a reasonable assumption to think as Job’s friends do?

    But that’s really all they have ---- assumptions.
    For they have yet to name a single wrong doing of Job himself.

    Job’s “friends” are basing their assumption on the appearance of the circumstances around Job, and not on the character of Job himself.

    I make the alligators look tame.
    A wretched, spiteful, straight-razor totin' woman.
    Lord have mercy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post

    (20) Behold, God will not cast away a perfect man, neither will he help the evil doers:
    (21) Till he fill thy mouth with laughing, and thy lips with rejoicing.
    (22) They that hate thee shall be clothed with shame; and the dwelling place of the wicked shall come to nought.
    All perfectly reasonable sayings of God’s character in MOST cases.

    But it is misapplied in the case of Job.

    God actually did make it easy for an evil doer (Satan) to attack a righteous man, by withdrawing His hand of protection.


    What might you think if you did not already know what went on behind the scene?
    Would it not be a reasonable assumption to think as Job’s friends do?

    But that’s really all they have ---- assumptions.
    For they have yet to name a single wrong doing of Job himself.

    Job’s “friends” are basing their assumption on the appearance of the circumstances around Job, and not on the character of Job himself.

    Correct and i agree that they were basing their assumption on the appearance of the circumstances and not the character of Job. (and i agree completely with your assessment - but playing advocate here:

    I would like to ask though about the bolded red portion, Why would a believer in God, believe that it would be possible for God to withdraw protection from a righteous man? Would not that be what Jobs friends may have been thinking and would not that also be what many of us (humans) would think as well at times since we are not privy to 100 percent of someone elses actions?

    Would it make sense normally for God to withhold mercy and protection on one who loves Him and serves Him unconditionally?
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