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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    To verify that both he and Peter were both commissioned to preach the (one true) Gospel of Jesus Christ.



    For the same reason.




    Absolutely, yes.



    What would make you think any of Christ's followers would NOT proclaim this same good news?!!!!
    Can you give an example of Peter preaching the DBR of Jesus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Can you give an example of Perter preaching the DBR of Jesus?
    Perter?

    All of the Apostles testified to the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

    I really do not see how or why any Christian would deny this!

    Such is the Gospel Truth and message of the entire NT, as well as the fulfillment of all the OT revelations and prophesies.
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

    " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    Perter?

    All of the Apostles testified to the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

    I really do not see how or why any Christian would deny this!

    Such is the Gospel Truth and message of the entire NT, as well as the fulfillment of all the OT revelations and prophesies.
    Oops

    I was wondering if you could give me an example of Peter preaching the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord. I can't find any. Could you give Book, Chapter and Verse?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Oops

    I was wondering if you could give me an example of Peter preaching the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord. I can't find any. Could you give Book, Chapter and Verse?
    Acts 2:23-43; I Peter 1:3-4, 10-11, 18-21, 2:21-25, 3:18-19, 21-22, 4:1, 13; II Peter 3:15-16
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

    " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
    Gordon H. Clark

    "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    Acts 2:23-43; I Peter 1:3-4, 10-11, 18-21, 2:21-25, 3:18-19, 21-22, 4:1, 13; II Peter 3:15-16
    Thanks for your research but I don't see it as it is pointed out by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Thanks for your research but I don't see it as it is pointed out by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
    Peter said his message was of the same Godly wisdom, as Paul's . . . II Peter 3:15

    The Gospel is a full message, BR, not a mantra consisting of chanting only 4 verses.

    Why do you want reduce the good news of Jesus Christ to just one quote from Holy Scripture?

    If those verses alone possessed a (mystical) power to save, then supposedly the rest of the bible is superfluous and unnecessary, and can be tossed aside and left unread . . . heh?
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

    " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
    Gordon H. Clark

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    Peter said his message was of the same Godly wisdom, as Paul's . . . II Peter 3:15

    The Gospel is a full message, BR, not a mantra consisting of chanting only 4 verses.

    Why do you want reduce the good news of Jesus Christ to just one quote from Holy Scripture?

    If those verses alone possessed a (mystical) power to save, then supposedly the rest of the bible is superfluous and unnecessary, and can be tossed aside and left unread . . . heh?
    I am not saying what you say is untrue but doesn't that one passage embrace the whole of the Gospel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post

    The Gospel is a full message,
    If someone on the street asked you what the gospel is, what do you say?
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    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
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    You're too literal to get it.
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    The New Covenant preceded the Old Covenant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    Peter said his message was of the same Godly wisdom, as Paul's . . . II Peter 3:15
    That is your misguided INTERPRETATION of that passage.

    Peter does NOT say that the wisdom given to Paul is the same.
    Rom 16:25-26 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, (26) But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
    If this wisdom was KEPT SECRET SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN, and was NOW MADE MANIFEST, how is the that same wisdom that was made known SINCE THE WORLD BEGAN, by all of the prophets before?
    Luk 1:70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
    This is something that you do not understand because you reject the wisdom of God as HE has given it to US.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Interplanner View Post
    They can't compete with a real writer and grammar scholar
    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Has Amos 9:15 been cancelled?

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    I imagine "ANOTHER" horrendous tragedy! That being, Calvinistic
    False Doctrine!" MAD as you call it; I call it, The Grace Message or
    Paul's Gospel IS the truth we must all focus on!
    Paul gave explanation to the grace of God which all believers received when they accepted Christ.

    Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
    Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
    Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
    Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

    Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
    Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
    Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
    Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
    Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
    My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    If someone on the street asked you what the gospel is, what do you say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    If those verses alone possessed a (mystical) power to save, then supposedly the rest of the bible is superfluous and unnecessary, and can be tossed aside and left unread . . . heh?
    If God sends most people to hell without a chance of believing, then the Bible can be tossed aside by most, and left unread. heh?
    1 Corinthians 15:1-2 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV -


    Colossians 1:13-14 KJV - Colossians 1:15-16 KJV - Colossians 1:17-18 KJV -

    Colossians 1:19-20 KJV - Colossians 1:21-22 KJV - Colossians 1:23 KJV -

    Colossians 1:25-26 KJV 27, 28, 29 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Ephesians 1:12-13, 14 -



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    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    If God sends most people to hell without a chance of believing, then the Bible can be tossed aside by most, and left unread. heh?
    It could be tossed aside by everyone, since they were chosen before they were in the womb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post

    If those verses alone possessed a (mystical) power to save, then supposedly the rest of the bible is superfluous and unnecessary, and can be tossed aside and left unread . . . heh?
    The gospel of Christ/the preaching of the cross (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV) is the power of God, but it's foolishness to those like you (Romans 1:16 KJV, 1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV), who believe not and are blinded (2 Corinthians 4:3-4 KJV).
    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Paul defines the word of truth as the gospel of your salvation (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV, Ephesians 1:13 KJV). Now, study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed by rightly dividing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Can you give an example of Peter preaching the DBR of Jesus?
    Try Acts 2:23-35.

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