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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel4Truth View Post
    Look up bammys promises about it before it was passed, im not your secretary. Each time youve asked for evidence youve gotten it.
    But it was bogus evidence and you haven't provided it for this.

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    Do your own leg work now. Heck you didnt even know walmart was once a 5 a dime that only sold american products by american workers and never did any overseas business while you applauded the death of the man who started it with that, without knowing its his greedy grandkids that ruined the company and abandoned sams vision.
    I'm unable to find your claims validated. If you want to stand by this you should provide your source.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoundedEgo View Post
    But it was bogus evidence and you haven't provided it for this.



    I'm unable to find your claims validated. If you want to stand by this you should provide your source.
    Why, i could care less if you are too lazy to look it up and want to be uninformed. I know tons of people have seen it, and if you want to look like an idiot by denying it, dont let me stop you
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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
    ...URL="http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/obamacare-faces-new-delay-in-small-business-enrollment-97401.html"]New delay in small-business enrollment[/URL] Am 8:5
    The delay is from 10/1 to 11/1 for the website http://healthcare.gov to allow small businesses to enroll for coverage on 1/1/2014. So, yes, this is a minor delay but that is why they had a three month ramp up. Still on 10/1, small businesses can use http://healthcare.gov to find out their health care purchasing options. Then they have two more months to purchase said insurance before the 1/1/2014 go-live of Obamacare.

    No big deal. Don't try to make it a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
    The reason these plans will be "wiped out" is that they do not meet the new quality standards. For example, they don't cover you if you preexisting conditions, discriminate based on gender, do not have a cap on out of pocket expenses, can drop you if you get sick... in other words, they are crappy insurance plans which are now going to be illegal.

    Are you going to miss being excluded because of preexisting conditions? Discrimination? No cap? Insecurity?

    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoundedEgo View Post
    The reason these plans will be "wiped out" is that they do not meet the new quality standards. For example, they don't cover you if you preexisting conditions, discriminate based on gender, do not have a cap on out of pocket expenses, can drop you if you get sick... in other words, they are crappy insurance plans which are now going to be illegal.

    Are you going to miss being excluded because of preexisting conditions? Discrimination? No cap? Insecurity?

    Why?
    No, they are wiped out because the new regulations are so onerous that the companies withdrew from those markets rather than lose money.

    If the ACA were really concerned about the poor person with no insurance, they would have forced all the health insurance companies to go not-for-profit and limited their overhead and executive pay... but the reality is that the ACA is a huge handout to the larger insurance companies that can handle the huge amount of increased paperwork.

    The biggest tell tail sign that this law is a stinker is that the government has had to hire 'navigators' to educate and help people through they myriad of new regulations.

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    You do realize that Obama and most democrats want a single payer insurance like the UK has. We have the ACA thanks to Republicans and insurance and big pharma lobbyists right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sitamun View Post
    You do realize that Obama and most democrats want a single payer insurance like the UK has. We have the ACA thanks to Republicans and insurance and big pharma lobbyists right?
    The fact that you believe that really bothers me... you have been duped.

    Not to mention that the Canadian and UK health systems are having real issues right now.... the German one seems the best and has been around the longest and is still in good shape... not to mention it absorbed all of east Germany and still is in the black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HisServant View Post
    No, they are wiped out because the new regulations are so onerous that the companies withdrew from those markets rather than lose money.

    If the ACA were really concerned about the poor person with no insurance, they would have forced all the health insurance companies to go not-for-profit and limited their overhead and executive pay... but the reality is that the ACA is a huge handout to the larger insurance companies that can handle the huge amount of increased paperwork.

    The biggest tell tail sign that this law is a stinker is that the government has had to hire 'navigators' to educate and help people through they myriad of new regulations.
    The Democrats would do a single payer system in a heartbeat but that would never have been signed by George W. Bush. Even the Public Option (which would have ensured competition) had to be cut from the legislation.

    As to the navigators, there is a great deal of *misinformation and fear mongering* being spread by Right Wingnut propagandists that needs to be combated and as with anything new, some education. This is to ensure its *success* in reaching the uninsured and helping them get insured. Sorry you think it should be "automatic"... that's not the way things work. There are a good many volunteers who want to help people, but you're free to gripe from the sidelines and be useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoundedEgo View Post
    As to the navigators, there is a great deal of *misinformation and fear mongering* being spread by Right Wingnut propagandists that needs to be combated and as with anything new, some education. This is to ensure its *success* in reaching the uninsured and helping them get insured. Sorry you think it should be "automatic"... that's not the way things work. There are a good many volunteers who want to help people, but you're free to gripe from the sidelines and be useless.
    The fact that there is so much misinformation out there is the bill is 2k pages in length and then there was the Pelosi 'sign it so you can see what is in it' speech (which is probably the most stupid statement that any politician ever made... in all of history).

    You Dems set yourself up for this.. you deserve it.

    As far as single payer.. if its like the German system, I am all for it. If its like the Canadian or British system we should be very afraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HisServant View Post
    The fact that you believe that really bothers me... you have been duped.

    Not to mention that the Canadian and UK health systems are having real issues right now.... the German one seems the best and has been around the longest and is still in good shape... not to mention it absorbed all of east Germany and still is in the black.
    Whatever issues they may be having it is still costing them less than half of what we pay. We spend more than twice than any other country that has universal health care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WoundedEgo View Post
    Whatever issues they may be having it is still costing them less than half of what we pay. We spend more than twice than any other country that has universal health care.
    And our representatives and senators are making bundles of money off of big pharma.. (more democrats than republicans actually, if you do your research).

    So the entire single payer thing was just a smoke screen, if you look at it honestly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HisServant View Post
    And our representatives and senators are making bundles of money off of big pharma.. (more democrats than republicans actually, if you do your research)...
    Please don't make claims you can't back up as some people might believe an unfounded claim if they are so predisposed.

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