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    WHY SAUL/PAUL NEVER PREACHED THE KINGDOM MESSAGE !!

    Hi to all , and as I see many believe that SAUL/PAUL , was saved under the Kingdom Program and taught the Law and then Baptize and then STOPPED !!

    And MIRACUIOUSLY was converted to GRACE , BUT will they produce a verse , showing that ??

    Here is a literal translation of Gal 1:23 !!

    " But they were ONLY hearing that the ONE once Persecuting us is now Preaching the Gospel of the FAITH he was Destroying ".

    #1 , They THOUGHT Paul was preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom , because that was the Only Gospel they KNEW about .

    #2 , The Greek word HEARING/HEARD / AKOUO means to hear or to find out by HERESAY , which means hearing based on the Reports of others .

    #3 , The words " they had " is the things in the IMPERFECT TENSE which means Continuous action in the Past tense , but still believed by many , like today .

    #4 , The verse in Gal 2:18 , shows that SAUL/PAUL could not go back to the PERSECUTING of previous time as on the road to Damascus .

    #5 , Gal 2:18 bears this out , " For if I build again ( this means of his PERSECUTING of the Assembly of God , Gal 1:13 )

    the things which I DESTROYED , I make my self a Transgressor ".

    Many will never believe what SAUL/PAUL has written and will always seek PROOF of his ministry and these 2 verse in Galatians prove that PAUL could not preach and build up that Kingdom program at all !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi to all , and as I see many believe that SAUL/PAUL , was saved under the Kingdom Program and taught the Law and then Baptize and then STOPPED !!
    I don't know anybody on this board that thinks this. Not the works crowd, not the dispensationalists. Paul never preached the law. He did preach that Jesus is the Christ. As more was revealed to him, he preached grace.

    Acts shows this.
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    Titus 1

    For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

    Ephesians 5

    11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick M View Post
    I don't know anybody on this board that thinks this. Not the works crowd, not the dispensationalists. Paul never preached the law. He did preach that Jesus is the Christ. As more was revealed to him, he preached grace.

    Acts shows this.

    Hi , and many dispensationalists , believe that SAUL/PAUL was saved under the Kingdom program and I know of 3 persons that hold this view and 2 , I know personally , are Grace people !!

    One even uses 1 Cor 1:14-17 , that to him , Proves that Paul Baptized and then stopped BAPTIZING in verse 17 !!

    If he Baptized , Saul /Paul , had to be keepng the LAW !!

    Acts 2 , and COVENANT people have to believe this , for their POSTION is ONE GOSPEL , so anything goes !!

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    Paul said he baptized, but is glad he stopped. Not all was revealed to him on the road to Damascus. Acts states this.

    What dispensationalist here says Paul was a part of the gospel kingdom?
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    For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

    Ephesians 5

    11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick M View Post
    Paul said he baptized, but is glad he stopped. Not all was revealed to him on the road to Damascus. Acts states this.

    What dispensationalist here says Paul was a part of the gospel kingdom?

    Hi , and I mean , people that I know personally in my Assembly !!


    And one here quoted , that Paul did Water Baptize and THEN STOPPED , and used 1 Cor 1:14-17 to show that Paul DID indeed Water Baptized and then stopped because of verse 17 !!

    At least that is how I interpreted it !!

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    Paul preached the kingdom message. Paul preached about a King, didn't he? Well, where there's a King, there's a kingdom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surrender View Post
    Paul preached the kingdom message. Paul preached about a King, didn't he? Well, where there's a King, there's a kingdom.
    In which location?

    The one mentioned in Acts 1? Or the heavenly kingdom that isn't coming to earth.
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    For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

    Ephesians 5

    11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick M View Post
    In which location?

    The one mentioned in Acts 1? Or the heavenly kingdom that isn't coming to earth.
    Kings have more than one kingdom? Or is the king a king over his one kingdom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by surrender View Post
    Paul preached the kingdom message. Paul preached about a King, didn't he? Well, where there's a King, there's a kingdom.

    Hi , and Acts 21:22 , definitely shows what Paul was preaching , against the Law of Moses , circumcision, and all the Jewish Customs !!

    And Gal 1:23 and Gal 2:18 , prove that Paul could NEVER go back and teach the Law !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi , and Acts 21:22 , definitely shows what Paul was preaching , against the Law of Moses , circumcision, and all the Jewish Customs !!
    No, he wasn't.

    And Gal 1:23 and Gal 2:18 , prove that Paul could NEVER go back and teach the Law !!
    No, they don't prove that at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surrender View Post
    No, he wasn't.

    No, they don't prove that at all.

    Hi , and I am to be nice , so , read those verses in Gal 1:23 and Gal 2:18 , BECAUSE you will need a better answer , than " No, he wasn't ".

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi , and I am to be nice , so , read those verses in Gal 1:23 and Gal 2:18 , BECAUSE you will need a better answer , than " No, he wasn't ".

    dan p
    Paul didn't preach against the Law of Moses. Acts 21 is an entire demonstration of Paul keeping the Law.

    Galatians 1:23 speaks of the church of God Paul had been trying to destroy (cf. Gal. 1:13). This is the church Jesus began to build and the 12 disciples continued to build. Galatians 2:18 is NOT about the church of God. Paul did NOT destroy the church of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surrender View Post
    Paul didn't preach against the Law of Moses. Acts 21 is an entire demonstration of Paul keeping the Law.

    Galatians 1:23 speaks of the church of God Paul had been trying to destroy (cf. Gal. 1:13). This is the church Jesus began to build and the 12 disciples continued to build. Galatians 2:18 is NOT about the church of God. Paul did NOT destroy the church of God.

    Hi , and Gal 1:13 says , " how I persecuted the EKKLESIA / ASSEMBLY , and wasted it !!

    Acts 8:3 will interesting for your mind !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi , and Gal 1:13 says , " how I persecuted the EKKLESIA / ASSEMBLY , and wasted it !!
    Gal. 1:13 says Paul persecuted the church of God in order to destroy it. He obviously didn’t destroy the church of God.

    Acts 8:3 will interesting for your mind !!
    Why would it be interesting for my mind? I know that Saul tried to destroy the church of God by going into houses to drag off believers to prison. But he didn’t succeed. God stopped him on the road to Damascus and soon he was a believer. That’s why I keep saying that you are wrong to say that Paul succeeded in destroying the church of God. He didn’t succeed; he became a member of the very church he was trying to destroy. You are wrong to say that Gal. 2:18 is proof that Paul destroyed the church of God. Gal. 2:18 has nothing to do with Saul/Paul going into houses to drag off believers to prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surrender View Post
    Gal. 1:13 says Paul persecuted the church of God in order to destroy it. He obviously didn’t destroy the church of God.

    Why would it be interesting for my mind? I know that Saul tried to destroy the church of God by going into houses to drag off believers to prison. But he didn’t succeed. God stopped him on the road to Damascus and soon he was a believer. That’s why I keep saying that you are wrong to say that Paul succeeded in destroying the church of God. He didn’t succeed; he became a member of the very church he was trying to destroy. You are wrong to say that Gal. 2:18 is proof that Paul destroyed the church of God. Gal. 2:18 has nothing to do with Saul/Paul going into houses to drag off believers to prison.


    Hi , and I have never written that SAUL SUCEEDED in destroying the EKKLESIA /ASSEMBLY of God .

    Where is their a VERSE that SAUL " became a member of the very EKKLESIA he was trying to destroy " ????




    DAN P

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