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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    You cant believe the Truth !
    You have to use a lot of imagination and assumptions to make-up your claim.

    That is so different from facts as confirmed by:

    1 Corinthians: 15 verse: 47 (KJV N.T.) - The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
    1 Corinthians: 15 verse: 44 (KJV N.T.) - It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.


    The first man is one's natural man or physical body. This a 'seen' and temporal body. The second man is one's inward man or spirit body. This a 'not seen' and eternal body.

    Jesus instructed: look not at things that are 'seen' (i.e. physical). For such things are temporal.Instead look at things that are 'not seen' (i.e. not physical, like Jesus in His Spirit body). For such things are eternal. The disciples did not listen.

    Currently Jesus is in His second man, in heaven. (simply because the second body is the Lord in heaven and it is raised a spiritual body) Jesus in His second man is Lord in heaven. Jesus' second man is His Spirit. It is the second man that is Lord. It is also Jesus who is Lord. Therefore Jesus is Lord in His Spirit in heaven.

    In addition to this, it is confirmed very clearly in 2 Corinthians:3 verse: 17 (KJV N.T.) that now the Lord is that Spirit. This deceleration was made some 2000 years ago. We know also that Jesus is Lord. Therefore the Lord is that Spirit of Jesus/Spirit of Truth for the past 2000 odd years. Those who want to be Christian and in the body of Christ must know Jesus in His Spirit as Paul did.

    Only the unfortunate and misguided believed and still believe that Jesus is Lord in a physical body.

    The disciples, because they physically saw Jesus rise to a cloud in His physical body, assumed, believed, promoted and taught that Jesus is in His physical body in heaven. Fact is Jesus rose to a cloud in His physical body. However He was raised (to heaven) in His spiritual body (refer to the verses above).

    The disciples therefore err. They misled themselves and others. Therefore they and their followers could not be chosen and were not chosen. They and their followers did not make it. They were and are, not Christians. They cannot be and were not in the body of Christ.

    Only a few people from among the billion or so who were called to Christianity knew that Jesus is in heaven only in His Spirit body. Only these few had and have a chance of being chosen and in the body of Christ.

    This is the absolutely serious consequence of misinformation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    The Twelve Apostles are in the Body of Christ 1 Cor 12 ! 1 Cor 12:18-28



    The Apostles were set members in the Body of Christ !

    Hi and Gal 3:28 TRUMPS all you have written and " in Christ " there are no Jews nor Greeks nor Bond or Slave neither can there be Male nor Female , as all in the Body , LOSE there Indentity " in Christ as all the 4 verbs in Gal 3:28 are in the Greek Present Tense , so this EXCLUDES all Jews and Greeks !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by surrender View Post
    I don't know if we are "under" a covenant but we are "under" the law of Christ (1 Cor. 9:21), who is the mediator of a new covenant (Heb. 9:15). We are no longer strangers to the covenants (Eph. 2:12) which means we are no longer outsiders in relation to the covenants. Sounds like we are part of the new covenant to me.
    That's because you don't actually read what it says, you just assume that what so many say is true.
    Eph 2:11-13 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; (12) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (13) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
    We are made nigh by the blood, not by a covenant. The 'nigh' is to CHRIST, not Israel and their covenant.
    Last edited by Right Divider; February 18th, 2015 at 07:32 PM.
    turbosixx says "Yep. Pentecost was the first time men heard the gospel."
    When corrected, turbsixx says "diversion tactic"
    turbosixx is dishonest.


    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi and Gal 3:28 TRUMPS all you have written and " in Christ " there are no Jews nor Greeks nor Bond or Slave neither can there be Male nor Female , as all in the Body , LOSE there Indentity " in Christ as all the 4 verbs in Gal 3:28 are in the Greek Present Tense , so this EXCLUDES all Jews and Greeks !!

    dan p
    You don't make any sense, invalid comments !
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    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
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    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    You don't make any sense, invalid comments !

    Hi , and only those who are PAULINE will see what Gal 3:28 IS SAYING to the Body of Christ <

    Yet I have another verse that also TRUMPS the " 12 IN postion " and that is 1 Cor 15:8 as SAUL is the ONLY ONE that is ABORTED !

    The 12 are born " IN DUE TIME " and that due time is AFTER the Grear Tribulation , pure and simple !!

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    I believe the Apostles are members of the body of Christ according to the way in which Paul speaks of himself:

    "so we the many are one body in Christ , and each one members of one another," (Rom 12:5 LITV).

    "The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a partaking of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a partaking of the body of Christ? (1Cor 10:16 LITV; see 1Cor 10:17).

    "For also we all were baptized by one Spirit into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, even all were given to drink into one Spirit" (1Cor 12:13 LITV).

    John believed to be in Christ, a member of His body:

    "And we know that the Son of God has come, and He has given to us an understanding that we may know the true One , and we are in the true One , in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and the life everlasting" (1Jn 5:20 LITV).

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    Quote Originally Posted by olivetree View Post
    I believe the Apostles are members of the body of Christ according to the way in which Paul speaks of himself:

    "so we the many are one body in Christ , and each one members of one another," (Rom 12:5 LITV).

    "The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a partaking of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a partaking of the body of Christ? (1Cor 10:16 LITV; see 1Cor 10:17).

    "For also we all were baptized by one Spirit into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, even all were given to drink into one Spirit" (1Cor 12:13 LITV).

    John believed to be in Christ, a member of His body:

    "And we know that the Son of God has come, and He has given to us an understanding that we may know the true One , and we are in the true One , in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and the life everlasting" (1Jn 5:20 LITV).
    It depends on who the WE is that Paul is speaking about.
    turbosixx says "Yep. Pentecost was the first time men heard the gospel."
    When corrected, turbsixx says "diversion tactic"
    turbosixx is dishonest.


    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

    Eph 2:8-9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    It depends on who the WE is that Paul is speaking about.
    Hi and the reason he does not see the Gal 3:28 verse is because he does not understand what the 4 PRESENT TENSES mean in Gal 3:28 and it means there CANNOT BE Jews there CANNOT BE Bond nor FREE and there CANNOT BE Male nor Female as we ARE in Christ Jesus .

    There is a LIST of about 12 things , that I have not yet written , of Gal 3:28 , like the Greek word " ARE /ESTE " which is in the Present Tense which means OSAS as we are always " in Christ ."

    Another one is it solves Rom 16 , where Paul mentions that one can be " in Christ " before Paul and Gal 3:28 completely answers the question !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    It depends on who the WE is that Paul is speaking about.
    Regardless of who "we" encompasses, at a minimum it certainly included Paul as he spoke and John as he spoke.

    Now, please read the verses I quoted and you can plainly see that both Paul and John knew that they were members of the body of Christ.

    If Judas Iscariot is considered as one of the 12 Apostles by the OP of this thread, then he is not in the body of Christ.

    - - -


    Who are the 12 anyway? Aren't there 14 or 15 Apostles named in the NT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by olivetree View Post
    Regardless of who "we" encompasses, at a minimum it certainly included Paul as he spoke and John as he spoke.

    Now, please read the verses I quoted and you can plainly see that both Paul and John knew that they were members of the body of Christ.

    If Judas Iscariot is considered as one of the 12 Apostles by the OP of this thread, then he is not in the body of Christ.

    - - -


    Who are the 12 anyway? Aren't there 14 or 15 Apostles named in the NT?

    Hi , and ANYONE that understands Gal 3:28 will see that in the Body of Christ , all in the Body of Christ LOSE their identity in the Body of Christ , for all in the body are a New Creation . Eph 2:15 !

    Jews will be a KINGS and PRIESTS in the Millennium as EX 19:6 and in Rev 1:6 explain , and no where are Gentiles are to be that !!

    Jews are separate as Num 23:9 are NOT to live with Gentiles !!

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    [QUOTE=olivetree;4236
    - - -


    Who are the 12 anyway? Aren't there 14 or 15 Apostles named in the NT?[/QUOTE]


    Hi , and bible studemts know that the 12 apostles were DIRECTLY appointed by Jesus !! The 12 apostles had the authority to REMIT sins
    in John 20:23 !!

    Paul was also a DIRECTLY appointed by Christ and had more AUTHORITY than the 12 , and also was called " I AM " and when he forgave anyone , Paul forgave in the Person of Jesus Christ !!

    There are still apostles in the Dispensation of Grace Eph 4:11 and the Greek word apostle just means Messager !

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi , and bible studemts know that the 12 apostles were DIRECTLY appointed by Jesus !! The 12 apostles had the authority to REMIT sins
    in John 20:23 !!

    Paul was also a DIRECTLY appointed by Christ and had more AUTHORITY than the 12 , and also was called " I AM " and when he forgave anyone , Paul forgave in the Person of Jesus Christ !!

    There are still apostles in the Dispensation of Grace Eph 4:11 and the Greek word apostle just means Messager !

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAN P View Post
    Hi to all , and during the Pastor Bill Root ministry , they were talking about , " were the 12 IN or OUT of the Body of Christ ??

    I knew that it was a raging question , at that time !!

    Can you give verses for EITHER POSITION ?

    dan p
    I would begin at the "head", http://biblehub.com/greek/4409.htm (Colossians 1:15-18 KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurucam View Post
    Dear Dan P,


    1 Corinthians: 15 verse: 44 (KJV N.T.)

    It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.



    1 Corinthians: 15 verse: 47 (KJV N.T.)

    The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.



    2 Corinthians: 4 verse: 16 (KJV N.T)

    For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.



    Do you want to recognize the above revelations or do you simply ignore those revelations and others which you do not like?

    Hi , and which one do I IGNORE ?

    DAN P

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