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    Chosen to believe, not believe to be Chosen cont

    All them of God's Elect shall obtain like precious Faith 2 Pet 1:1

    Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

    This verse lets us know unquestionably that Faith is a Salvation Blessing and not something man has by nature !

    And it is also termed the Faith of God's Elect, for its from God's Elect [Christ Isa 42:1] to God's Elect [ Those given to Him or Chosen in Him Eph 1:4]

    It is peculiar only to them, so the Elect only obtain this precious faith, and the rest of mankind is blinded Rom 11:7

    7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

    The Election obtained it by Faith that was given ! Paul said the blinded ones sought it not by Faith Rom 9:31-32

    31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

    32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

    They were the Election !

    The rest Paul writes were blinded Rom 11:7; And this being blinded prevents one from believing the Gospel of Christ 2 Cor 4:3-4

    But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

    4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    So it is upon the evidence of one believing that Paul could reasonably conclude that the Thessalonians were of the Election of Grace 1 Thess 1:4-6

    4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

    5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

    6 And ye became followers of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Ghost.

    Yes, their receiving or believing the Gospel in much affliction convinced Paul of their Election of God !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Something to know !

    Something to know ! It is impossible for any sinner that Christ died for, to live and die an unbeliever. For such case would overthrow the purpose of God giving His Son Jn 3:16, and would have defeated the Purpose of His Saving Death. One scripture that confirms this Truth is the latter part of Rom 1:17

    17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

    The Just SHALL live by Faith !

    The whole Truth of this stated assertion, hinges upon the word SHALL, a Promise of God's Word depending upon His Ability to perform it. Just like this statement Rom 4:20-21

    20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

    21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

    The promise being Gen 18:10-14

    10 And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him.

    11 Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women.

    12 Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?

    13 And the Lord said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?

    14 Is any thing too hard for the Lord? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.

    This is to Illustrate that God's Shall's are contingent upon His Ability to perform it.

    So, that the Just shall live by Faith is of that same quality of promise !

    Now who are the Just ? Its all whom Christ, by His Obedience made Righteous Rom 5:19

    19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    The word Righteous here is the same word Just in Rom 1:17b the greek word dikaios.

    So the conclusion is That all for whom Christ died [His Obedience] shall be made to live by Faith ! This is brought about by God's Ability !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Faith and Repentance Two sides of same coin !

    That Repentance [a change of mind] and Faith [believing the Truth as it is revealed or made known] are of the same Essence / Substance, for this is shown here 2 Tim 2:25

    25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

    That is repentance from God is unto discerning and acknowledging the Truth or belief of the Truth or Faith in it ! See Eph 1:13

    Paul writes in Titus 1:1

    Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

    Faith acknowledges God's Truth, which is what 2 Tim 2:25 means !

    So in the Evangelical sense, this Repentance in Lk 24:47; Acts 5:31,11:18,17:30,20:21 is unto Faith or belief or acknowledgment of the Truth !

    And Both must come from God 2 Tim 2:25

    25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

    Neither Faith or Repentance comes from within the Natural man as false teachers teach !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Faith and Hope are of the same Essence !

    That Faith and Hope are of the same Essence or Substance, hope being born out of Faith, the Expectation of what Faith Reveals and causes Trust, well this is seen here 1 Pet 1:21

    21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

    Now notice how this purpose [of faith and hope in God] follows the fact of God's raising Christ from the dead [ His Resurrection See Vs 3] God gave Him Glory, so that they [to whom Peter was writing] would have Faith and Hope in God. This is the same referred to earlier in Vs 3 1 Pet 1:3

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    Being begotten again unto a Lively Hope by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, so a Believers Faith and Hope is directly connected to and resultive of Christ's Resurrection from the Dead and His Glory.

    Paul said in Eph 1:12

    12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

    In other words, its to the Praise of Christ's Glory whenever one Trust's in Him for Salvation !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Faith is Spiritual !

    Faith is Spiritual , and its living [as in a lively hope 1 Pet 1:3] for it is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen ! This definition in and of itself confirms that the Natural Man cannot have Faith, because as so, we walk by sight 2 Cor 5:7

    (For we walk by faith, not by sight )

    Faith is the evidence of the Spiritual Life and without Spiritual Life there can be no Living Faith. The Blessed Saviour said once Jn 5:24

    24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

    Jesus is not saying if one believes they will get Eternal Life, no but quite the opposite, rather He s saying, the one believing, already has Everlasting Life, for ones believing gives Evidence of having Everlasting Life ! For Faith or the act of Believing does not produce Life, but Rather Life produces Faith.

    There is no Spiritual Persuasion to one who is yet spiritually dead and alienated from the Life of God, and consequently have no life in them Jn 6:53

    Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

    Eating and Drinking are metaphorically symbolizing Believing on Christ, appropriating Him, acts of life, and ones not doing that give evidence of having no life [Spiritual] in them !

    Jesus is not speaking of natural and physical life, for of course they had that !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Faith is an Evidence of Union with Christ !

    Faith in Christ does not give us a spiritual union with Christ, but is the evidence of such a Union with Christ. For faith is the evidence of things hoped for Heb 11:1

    Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    And so it is Faith cannot be the thing it evidences as a reality,and the reality that is unseen must exist before . Now the Reality is that believers, before believing were the Children of God by Union with Christ. Yes we are already Children of God by Union before Believing on Christ which is the evidence of that Union.

    And it is because of that Union with Christ before we become believers, of which we are the Children of God, God sends His Spirit in our Hearts Gal 4:6

    6 And because ye are sons r descendants, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

    By which Spirit we receive a witness to ourselves that we are the Children of God Rom 8:16

    The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

    And so, those who do believe in Jesus have the witness in themselves 1 Jn 5:10

    10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness or evidence in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

    The Spirit being given as in Gal 4:6 is the Evidence that we had a Union with Christ before believing that we were by that Union, Children of God. We were Joint Heirs with Christ in the Eternal Counsels of God ! Rom 8:17

    And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

    That word Joint denotes Union with Christ !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    New Birth before Faith !

    One of the most obvious truths of scripture, which is that New Birth or being born of the Spirit must have first occurred before one can believe on Christ for Salvation, this is true simply because such an act is pleasing to God Heb 11:6

    6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.


    1 Jn 3:22-23

    22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

    23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

    Now surely from here we see that Believing on the Name of Jesus Christ is a commandment we do or keep that pleases God.

    And yet we know that they which are in the flesh [Unregenerate] cannot please God Per Rom 8:8 !

    Hence if one does please God by by believing on the name of Jesus Christ, then it stands to reason, that such a one had to be not in the flesh, not in a unregenerate state, but one who instead that had been born of the Spirit be able to do it and to please God !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    The Faith of Christ or out of Christ !

    All those Christ died for are given a portion or dealt a portion of His Faith, The Faith of the Son of God Gal 2:20

    20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

    By which He in their stead and in their behalf overcome the World Jn 16:33

    33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

    Now understand, Jesus statement here is not as a Private Individual Person, but as an Head and Representative of His Church, and the Overcoming Faith that He has, it is communicated to All His Members in the New Birth and so they become overcomer's by their Gift of Faith given them from Him, the faith of the Son of God 1 Jn 5:4-5

    4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

    5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

    Its easy to see here that the Faith is born of God !

    In the original Faith of the Son of God is genitive which means:

    For the most part, the genitive is often viewed as the case of possession. In more technical terms one noun in the genitive case helps to qualify another noun by showing its "class" or "kind". The genitive case has more uses than most other cases, but in general a noun in the genitive case helps to limit the scope of another noun by indicating its "kind" or "class".
    http://www.ntgreek.org/learn_nt_greek/nouns1.htm

    Thats what Kind of Faith Paul had " Of the Son of God" which is a overcoming Faith !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    One of the most obvious truths of scripture, which is that New Birth or being born of the Spirit must have first occurred before one can believe on Christ for Salvation, this is true simply because such an act is pleasing to God Heb 11:6

    !

    Act 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
    My theology is that the elect of Israel became the scattered church among the nations, and when filled up with the full number of gentiles who believe to become one with them, then Christ will return and gather them, and God will then pour out His wrath on the unbelievers of both Jew and Gentile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lazy afternoon View Post
    Act 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
    Ok Your point for posting that scripture in light of the comment I had previously made or you just quoted ?
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    2 Pet 1:1

    Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

    Peter in this scripture does inform us where precious Faith comes from ! Its certainly not of ourselves Eph 2:8.

    It comes in or with the Righteousness of God and Our Saviour, this Righteousness is the free gift that Christ purchased and bestows upon all for whom He died Rom 5:17

    For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ)

    This Righteousness as well as that referred to in 2 Pet 1:1 is the imparted Righteousness of Christ we receive at New Birth. It is through this imparted or communicated Righteousness at New Birth we receive of, that with it we are given precious Faith.

    Peter goes on to say 2 Pet 1:3-4

    3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

    4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

    Faith or precious Faith is of the many things Given to us by New Birth which gives us to live a life of godliness !

    So 2 Pet 1:1 is but another scripture that proves biblically that Faith is the product of New Birth, partaking experimentally of the Divine Nature !
    Jesus demanded faith from every person that he performed miracles for. Faith is a gift from God and the Holy Spirit but it can be exercised or hid under a bushel.

    The new birth happens in the lives of some and not others. This is proof that even in our sinful state we can still exercise faith and surrender to the Holy Spirit or resist and die. This is not proof that God predestined some to salvation and not others.

    As I already said you make Jesus into a liar with this belief. How could he command us to love our enemies when he himself was not even willing to die for his enemies (non-elect). Calvinism turns a loving and just savior into a bigoted tyrant who treats sinners with disdain.

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    They that believed on His Name ! But why ?

    Jn 1:12-13

    12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

    13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

    They that believed on His Name, did so, because #1 It had been given to them to believe on Him for His Sake Phil :29

    29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

    And #2 Because they had been born of God. " They were Spiritual offspring

    The word born in the greek is γεννάω passive indicative and it means:

    I beget, bring forth, give birth to


    properly, beget (procreate a descendant), produce offspring; (passive) be born, "begotten."

    They were born of God passively in order to believe on His Name, because its commanded 1 Jn 3:23


    23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

    Now this is True,[ that they were born passively in order to believe on His Name because its commanded] because by nature they would be only of the flesh [not having been born again] and in that condition we cannot ,please God or be subject to His Commands Rom 8:7-8

    7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law/command of God, neither indeed can be.

    8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

    And Believing on God's Son is pleasing God 1 Jn 3:2-23

    22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

    23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

    Who in their right mind can deny that keeping the commandment to believe on the Name of God's Son is pleasing in God's sight from this passage ! Which pleasing man cannot do in the flesh Rom 8:8.

    Also Faith is pleasing to God Heb 11:6


    6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

    But this cannot be done if we are merely in the flesh, Hence, thats why to believe in His Name, one must have been born of God Jn 1:12-13 !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Zech 12:10 New Birth before Faith !

    Zech 12:10

    10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

    It appears clear from this text that faith to look to see the Son Jn 6:40 and godly sorrow unto repentance 2 Cor 7:10, that these are the effects of the Spirit being poured out upon them in regeneration and new birth which we are saved by like stated in Titus 3:5-6

    5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

    6 Which he shed [poured] on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

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    Faith , Blessings of His Death !

    The Blessings of Christ death for those He did die for and in behalf of, will cause them to believe in Him, For believing in Christ is given to them He died for, on His Behalf Phil 1:29. God makes them believe as promised here Zep 3:12

    12 I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the Lord.

    And Romans 15:12

    12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

    Or in Him shall the gentiles seek as in Faith. The word Trust is the same word hope as in Heb 11:1,6

    Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

    6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    2 Pet 1:1

    1. God and Jesus Christ are righteousness and want you to be Righteous too.

    2. You are righteous when baptism washes your Past Sins away.


    3. Jesus did righteousness all his Life and we must do that too.

    This Righteousness as well as that referred to in 2 Pet 1:1 is
    the imparted Righteousness of Christ we receive at New Birth.
    It is through this imparted or communicated Righteousness at
    New Birth we receive of, that with it we are given precious
    Faith.

    -----------Sounds NICE BUT NO CIGAR--.---------

    Peter goes on to say 2 Pet 1:3-4

    3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things
    that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of
    him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

    --What did HE give to US. === His MIND to help us Overcome our Proclivity to Sin !!---

    1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord,

    But we have the mind of Christ.

    partakers of the divine nature == WE ARE GOING TO BE GODS.----"YE ARE GODS."-SONS OF THE MOST HIGH."

    Faith or precious Faith is of the many things Given to us by
    New Birth which gives us to live a life of godliness !

    -------???????????????????--------

    So 2 Pet 1:1 is but another scripture that proves biblically
    that Faith is the product of New Birth, partaking
    experimentally of the Divine Nature !

    ---- WRONG === faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.


    ------Ro 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written,
    16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
    17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
    How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
    GOD HAS PROMISED US IMMORTALITY

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