
Originally Posted by
surrender
I’m not sure I’d put it that way. The purpose of the law was to come to know sin intimately (Romans 7:7) and to make sin utterly sinful (Romans 7:13).
Exactly! God’s “hope” for us. God has made it so any man can come to that place. If God did not, then He would have to condemn people for not doing what they were incapable of doing.
Here is your blind spot, the bible says that all sinned in Adam, now you might not like it, I think God knows better. Every man who was ever born [bar One] was in Adam's loins when he chose to rebel, and I have never said mankind did not choose or that he was not free to choose. Having chosen to rebel, and YOU chose with him that choice is already made, man is not a creature whose sin is in the future or his failure or his doom it is past and present.
I did not say I fully comprehend how that when Adam sinned I sinned, we are not to go by our understanding we are to go by "thus saith the Lord." Now that we have chosen we are no longer free.
We exchanged freedom for bondage....that's why Jesus set us free
We exchanged good for evil, abundance for poverty, life for death and sickness is part of it.
We exchange blessing for a curse.
We no longer have any options, we have sinned and we must die for our sins, nay we are already dead.
Explain how a dead man or woman has freewill, the bible says while we were YET sinners Christ died for the ungodly...yet you say it was your freewill. When we were DEAD, slain in trespasses and sins Christ died for us.
What then? but when God sent the gospel message to you along with it He sent His holy Spirit to set you free and to as Paul says QUICKEN you [that means bring to life] while you were dead, slain in trespasses and sins.
Salvation is all of God, you say "but we respond" and I say that God in His day of power is totally unresistible
If you choose to walk in the lusts of your flesh, you are not submitting to God’s will for your life. If you submit to God through a repentant heart, God will give you His Spirit so you can walk in the Spirit. Without the Spirit, our will always chooses self, so our walk is continually, “Not my will, but Your will be done.”
I agree.
I'm glad you agree, but you keep saying that you are walking, not in God's will but your own "freewill" don't you know that this is what got you into trouble in the first place.
Jesus said to Peter in essence that the human will is opposed to God and so it is.
And you’ve made it clear that those who recognize that Scripture affirms freewill treat God’s Word with irreverence and thus do not have the fullness of the Spirit. I think that’s completely arrogant.
The bible everywhere speaks about God sovereign and man's will which is in bondage and opposed, at emnity with Him.
There is not a single scripture where God bestowed upon any man freewill, not one in all the bible.
Now, you’ve hit upon the genuine reason for the lack of fullness of the Spirit, sin.
Actually it isn't so, once again you have the cart before the horse, it is because we walk not in the Spirit that we fulfil the lusts or desires of the flesh.[ for desires of the flesh read freewill]
Did God “hope” you would cry out to him for grace? Did you or did you not humble yourself before God and cry out to Him?
God' hoping is as far different from man's hoping as His faith is different from our faith, you talk about being humble and humbling ourselves, do you know what it is?....it is believing God's word even when it contradicts our own understanding. People say "I love God....." but I detect a lack of awe and reverence to His word, nobody will ever love God more than they love His word.
Yep. That’s what Scripture teaches.