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    The glorified body is irreversible/unconditional/unilateral since it is a metaphysical/ontological change that God will not reverse. Salvation is not metaphysical (confusion of categories on your part), but a reciprocal love relationship that is conditional and involving two parties. As in marriage, it is reversible (divorce is possible; analogies can be used both ways, so are limited). Spiritual rebirth is relational, not ontological like physical birth (so the unborn or unparent argument is lame).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick M View Post
    The glorified body is irreversible/unconditional/unilateral since it is a metaphysical/ontological change that God will not reverse. Salvation is not metaphysical (confusion of categories on your part), but a reciprocal love relationship that is conditional and involving two parties. As in marriage, it is reversible (divorce is possible; analogies can be used both ways, so are limited). Spiritual rebirth is relational, not ontological like physical birth (so the unborn or unparent argument is lame).
    My view stands up to Greek exegesis and context, but yours does not. Tell us the significance of the imperfect tense (was), logos (historical background; Johannine use), pros/with, anarthrous/qualitative, whether Colwell's rule applies or not, etc.

    We are not under your so-called multiple gospels theory so it is a moot point. It is an insult to the majority of true believers and to the Holy Spirit to say only a handful of modern MAD-types understand the ark and the annointing or experience true liberty. My experience is that you guys are sectish and more legalistic than the rest of us.

    It is nonsense to say you quote and I interpret. We all interpret verses that we quote (JWs mistranslate 'a god', something more sinister). Every cult quotes the same Bible verses, but twists the interpretations.

    You have no exegetical basis for your nonsense, but simply beg the question. MAD has issues with wrong paradigms. Proof texts out of context are used to support the preconceived idea (eisegesis) rather than exegesis and all relevant verses and right paradigms/principles leading to right conclusions (wrong assumptions lead to wrong conclusions).You need to make an exegetical vs anecdotal case.Your position is rationalism, naturalism, unbelief, not biblical. Sheer eisegesis on your part. You are ignorant of exegesis of Genesis-Revelation. This is not exegesis, just rambling of an unbiblical view. Put the verses in context (go verse by verse) for a proper understanding. I have done it here before, but it would probably be a waste of time with you. Your fundie ignorance/arrogance is ridiculous.

    Who is your pastor?

    What was the topic, again?

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    Saint John W

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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    Yes. That's why we'll be reduced in size to be little fat babies with big wings, so we can fly at will from cloud to cloud playing our ten stringed harps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
    I can only go where Christ goes, I'm part of his Body.
    And so we will be with the Lord forever

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick M View Post
    Salvation is not metaphysical (confusion of categories on your part), but a reciprocal love relationship that is conditional and involving two parties. As in marriage, it is reversible (divorce is possible; analogies can be used both ways, so are limited). Spiritual rebirth is relational, not ontological like physical birth (so the unborn or unparent argument is lame).
    Once a person believes he receives eternal life and the Lord Jesus says that those to whom He gives eternal life shall never perish.

    How simple can it be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Once a person believes he receives eternal life and the Lord Jesus says that those to whom He gives eternal life shall never perish.

    How simple can it be?
    You have been around long enough. I hope you recognize when I was mocking/quoting godrulz. And all the other worker bees.
    Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    Titus 1

    For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

    Ephesians 5

    11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    My view stands up to Greek exegesis and context, but yours does not. Tell us the significance of the imperfect tense (was), logos (historical background; Johannine use), pros/with, anarthrous/qualitative, whether Colwell's rule applies or not, etc.

    We are not under your so-called multiple gospels theory so it is a moot point. It is an insult to the majority of true believers and to the Holy Spirit to say only a handful of modern MAD-types understand the ark and the annointing or experience true liberty. My experience is that you guys are sectish and more legalistic than the rest of us.

    It is nonsense to say you quote and I interpret. We all interpret verses that we quote (JWs mistranslate 'a god', something more sinister). Every cult quotes the same Bible verses, but twists the interpretations.

    You have no exegetical basis for your nonsense, but simply beg the question. MAD has issues with wrong paradigms. Proof texts out of context are used to support the preconceived idea (eisegesis) rather than exegesis and all relevant verses and right paradigms/principles leading to right conclusions (wrong assumptions lead to wrong conclusions).You need to make an exegetical vs anecdotal case.Your position is rationalism, naturalism, unbelief, not biblical. Sheer eisegesis on your part. You are ignorant of exegesis of Genesis-Revelation. This is not exegesis, just rambling of an unbiblical view. Put the verses in context (go verse by verse) for a proper understanding. I have done it here before, but it would probably be a waste of time with you. Your fundie ignorance/arrogance is ridiculous.

    Who is your pastor?

    What was the topic, again?

    etc.
    1 Corinthians 15:1-2 KJV - 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV -


    Colossians 1:13-14 KJV - Colossians 1:15-16 KJV - Colossians 1:17-18 KJV -

    Colossians 1:19-20 KJV - Colossians 1:21-22 KJV - Colossians 1:23 KJV -

    Colossians 1:25-26 KJV 27, 28, 29 - Ephesians 1:7 KJV - Ephesians 1:12-13, 14 -



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