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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Here is what others think of the idea of the flood being caused by a comet:
    Was Noah’s Flood a tsunami caused by a comet impact?

    Rather than confirming the historicity of Noah’s Flood, ‘Noah’s comet’ contradicts the biblical data, at best explains only a local flood and overlooks the clear geological evidence for the truly global Flood.
    So you don't think the comet explanation is any good?

    Start with the Mid-Oceanic Ridge.
    Relevant Chapter.

    Do you know why the Earth is round?

    Do you know what a complex crater is?

    Complex craters are a type of large impact crater morphology.
    Above a certain threshold size, which varies with planetary gravity, the collapse and modification of the transient cavity is much more extensive, and the resulting structure is called a complex crater. The collapse of the transient cavity is driven by gravity, and involves both the uplift of the central region and the inward collapse of the rim. The central uplift is not the result of elastic rebound which is a process in which a material with elastic strength attempts to return to its original geometry; rather the collapse is a process in which a material with little or no strength attempts to return to a state of gravitational equilibrium






    The reason the Earth is round and the reason we have complex craters is the same. It is because of gravity. Open pit mining operations face a hazard from the same process. When significant amounts of mass are removed from one spot, gravity will act to fill in the hole from below. In a single, circular hole that means a singular mound will be raised in the center (see image of complex crater above).

    The fountains of the great deep did not form a single, circular hole. The pressure of the subterranean water caused a tear in the Earth's crust that circled the globe, much like when a balloon is popped. And I've learned something new:


    The rupture did not begin in what is now the Atlantic as some people have thought. (It was the later upbuckling of the Mid-Oceanic Ridge that began in the Atlantic.) ...the Mid-Oceanic Ridge intersects itself only once (in the Indian Ocean). The end of the crack that passed south of what is now Africa must have reached that intersection after the other end of the crack had passed by that point as it traveled to the northwest. Therefore, if the rupture began anywhere between what is now the North Pole and Alaska, the two ends of the crack (traveling at the same speed) would have formed that intersection in the Indian Ocean.




    So the gravitational response of this removal of mass was not a single point of uplift, but a long chain of it.

    Just going with the Mid Ocean Ridge (MOR) that we can "see" beneath the waves, we have ~50,000kms of mountain range circling the globe!

    This startling feature demands an explanation. And what better explanation than simple gravity? Of course, one needs to assume that the mass was removed and one needs to provide a means for that removal. The assumption of subterranean oceans filled with very high pressure water provides this mechanism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Relevant Chapter.

    Do you know why the Earth is round?

    Do you know what a complex crater is?

    Complex craters are a type of large impact crater morphology.
    Above a certain threshold size, which varies with planetary gravity, the collapse and modification of the transient cavity is much more extensive, and the resulting structure is called a complex crater. The collapse of the transient cavity is driven by gravity, and involves both the uplift of the central region and the inward collapse of the rim. The central uplift is not the result of elastic rebound which is a process in which a material with elastic strength attempts to return to its original geometry; rather the collapse is a process in which a material with little or no strength attempts to return to a state of gravitational equilibrium





    The reason the Earth is round and the reason we have complex craters is the same. It is because of gravity. Open pit mining operations face a hazard from the same process. When significant amounts of mass are removed from one spot, gravity will act to fill in the hole from below. In a single, circular hole that means a singular mound will be raised in the center (see image of complex crater above).

    The fountains of the great deep did not form a single, circular hole. The pressure of the subterranean water caused a tear in the Earth's crust that circled the globe, much like when a balloon is popped.
    The tear in a balloon is caused by the tension of the balloon.
    There are ridges around the earth's crust, but they do not look anything like the results of a balloon bursting. The crust does not look like it peeled away from the crack like the skin of a balloon does when it is burst.
    Instead the ridges look like the cracks in the skin of a tomato when it grows too quickly and the skin is no longer able to completely cover the insides.


    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    And I've learned something new:


    The rupture did not begin in what is now the Atlantic as some people have thought. (It was the later upbuckling of the Mid-Oceanic Ridge that began in the Atlantic.) ...the Mid-Oceanic Ridge intersects itself only once (in the Indian Ocean). The end of the crack that passed south of what is now Africa must have reached that intersection after the other end of the crack had passed by that point as it traveled to the northwest. Therefore, if the rupture began anywhere between what is now the North Pole and Alaska, the two ends of the crack (traveling at the same speed) would have formed that intersection in the Indian Ocean.




    So the gravitational response of this removal of mass was not a single point of uplift, but a long chain of it.

    Just going with the Mid Ocean Ridge (MOR) that we can "see" beneath the waves, we have ~50,000kms of mountain range circling the globe!

    This startling feature demands an explanation. And what better explanation than simple gravity? Of course, one needs to assume that the mass was removed and one needs to provide a means for that removal. The assumption of subterranean oceans filled with very high pressure water provides this mechanism.
    Yes the startling feature demands an explanation, but I am not convinced that the explanation provided by Dr. Brown actually fits.



    Mechanical and civil engineers call this phenomenon “the buckling of a plate on an elastic foundation.”57 I have often demonstrated this to audiences by placing long bricks on top of a foam mattress compressed in a rigid box. Then I slowly remove the bricks from the foam mattress, beginning at the center and moving outward. When enough bricks are removed, the mattress suddenly springs upward, raising the remaining bricks. If these bricks were on a frictionless surface, they would slide downhill, just as continents (hydroplates) did during the continental-drift phase.

    Although a void opens up under the upbuckled foam mattress, no void would open up deep inside the earth, because pressures are too great. Consequently, high-pressure rock from below would buckle up to fill the space. That would not leave a void farther down, because even deeper rock would be squeezed up to fill the space. Ultimately, mass from the opposite side of the earth must depress to compensate for the rising of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge and the entire Atlantic floor. Therefore, the Pacific and Indian Oceans rapidly formed. Evidence and details are given on pages 150–183.


    Dr. Brown uses this demonstration where he has compressed a foam mattress along its length and put bricks on it in order to keep it in place. When he removes some of the bricks in the middle, the compression on the foam mattress causes it to rise in the middle.

    If you look at the demonstration, you will notice that the air that was above the foam mattress is now under it, equalizing the pressure surrounding the foam mattress and allowing the compression to lift up the center. That does not match the rising of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, since it was filled up from beneath.

    The second thing wrong with the demonstration is that the compression of the foam mattress is perpendicular to the rise in the middle, and is not caused by a compression in the opposite direction to the rise at the sides of a weakened area, like the ones that are in effect to produce complex craters.

    The third thing wrong with the demonstration is the movement of the continents attributed to the rise. According to Dr. Brown, the same water that escaped from the layer between the crust and the mantle also provides the lubrication needed to allow the continents to slide away from the ridge. However, in real life simulations the high pressure water would escape much more rapidly than the gravitational effect could raise the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, meaning there would be no lubricating water for the continents to glide across. Also, the Mid-Atlantic Ridge does not show the height needed to push the continents laterally to their current locations.


    Figure 62: Birth of Mid-Atlantic Ridge.


    The graphics in Dr. Brown's book show the Mid-Atlantic Ridge rising without any compression happening to the theorized layer of water between the crust and the mantle. In the theory, the "10-mile-thick crust" atop the subterranean water is being shot up into the atmosphere and beyond by the pressure of the water, which is making a low pressure ridge that is being filled in by the gravitational effects from the magma layer. Dr. Brown seems to conviently forget about the pressures of the "10-mile-thick crust" and the ocean above the ridge during this process in his attempts to identify the effects of the pressure from the subterranean water.

    Now, anyone that has attempted to bake cakes, breads, and muffins has seen the type of cracking that is shown in the Mid-Atlantic Ridge

    The cracking is not caused by a lowering of pressure across the outside of the bread, but an increase of pressure from the inside of the bread.

    In the same manner, the Mid-Atlantic Ridge does not show the terracing expected if the rise of the ridge was related to the rise found inside of complex craters. Instead, the Mid-Atlantic Ridge shows the kind of rise expected from an increase of pressure in the magma of the earth which splits the crust of the earth like a ripe tomato.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    The tear in a balloon is caused by the tension of the balloon.
    Right. Air pressure from within stretched the plastic of the balloon to breaking at its weakest point. Similarly, water pressure within the Earth stretched the firmament to breaking at its weakest point.
    There are ridges around the earth's crust, but they do not look anything like the results of a balloon bursting. The crust does not look like it peeled away from the crack like the skin of a balloon does when it is burst.
    I'm not sure the analogy is meant to stretch that far or even what particular morphology you are referring to. But the edge of the tear in the firmament looks like this:



    or this:


    This is after the torn edge has hydroplaned away from the initial rupture and crashed to a stop. You can see the edges easily in Google Maps and follow their extent up and down each coast of the Atlantic Ocean. Elsewhere, they are discoverable in patches, but have been over-ridden by trenches or other features.

    Instead the ridges look like the cracks in the skin of a tomato when it grows too quickly and the skin is no longer able to completely cover the insides.
    Where are these ridges you speak of?

    If you look at the demonstration, you will notice that the air that was above the foam mattress is now under it, equalizing the pressure surrounding the foam mattress and allowing the compression to lift up the center. That does not match the rising of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, since it was filled up from beneath.
    As explained in his description:


    Although a void opens up under the upbuckled foam mattress, no void would open up deep inside the earth, because pressures are too great. Consequently, high-pressure rock from below would buckle up to fill the space. That would not leave a void farther down, because even deeper rock would be squeezed up to fill the space. Ultimately, mass from the opposite side of the earth must depress to compensate for the rising of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge and the entire Atlantic floor.



    This process is what I attempted to show in my pretty animation from post 7:
    make a gif. The Atlantic basin is on the right side. Pacific on Left.

    The second thing wrong with the demonstration is that the compression of the foam mattress is perpendicular to the rise in the middle, and is not caused by a compression in the opposite direction to the rise at the sides of a weakened area, like the ones that are in effect to produce complex craters.
    The foam is compressed by the weight of the bricks upon it and complex craters are the result of uplift in response to gravitational imbalance. The weight at the sides of the crater, Dr. Brown's mattress experiment or the MOR is largely irrelevant to the explanation.

    [QUOTE]The third thing wrong with the demonstration is the movement of the continents attributed to the rise. According to Dr. Brown, the same water that escaped from the layer between the crust and the mantle also provides the lubrication needed to allow the continents to slide away from the ridge. However, in real life simulations the high pressure water would escape much more rapidly than the gravitational effect could raise the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, meaning there would be no lubricating water for the continents to glide across.[quote]Fifteen minutes?


    ...studies also suggest that the central uplifts of structures 200–300 km in diameter, such as Vredefort (South Africa), formed in less than 15 minutes


    (Melosh, 1989, pp. 141–142; Turtle and Pierazzo, 1998).


    And with greater excavation comes greater gravity imbalance and faster response. Do you think half the Earth's oceans could escape from beneath the firmament before this gravitational response started? Anyway, a simple thought experiment should back this up. Drop a large, flat, concrete plate square onto a layer of water. If the impact is a good, flat slap, the block will not hit the bottom for a good long time while the water moves around it.

    Also, the Mid-Atlantic Ridge does not show the height needed to push the continents laterally to their current locations.
    Gravity is a powerful force with enough mass behind it. Imagine the energy a locomotive could use if a flat, mile length of track were raised at one end by a few feet.

    The graphics in Dr. Brown's book show the Mid-Atlantic Ridge rising without any compression happening to the theorized layer of water between the crust and the mantle.
    The water layer was breached and released which caused the removal of overlying mass which allowed the MOR to rise in response.

    In the theory, the "10-mile-thick crust" atop the subterranean water is being shot up into the atmosphere and beyond by the pressure of the water, which is making a low pressure ridge that is being filled in by the gravitational effects from the magma layer. Dr. Brown seems to conviently forget about the pressures of the "10-mile-thick crust" and the ocean above the ridge during this process in his attempts to identify the effects of the pressure from the subterranean water.
    The firmament was removed by escaping water. The mass has to be excavated in order to generate the gravity imbalance.

    Now, anyone that has attempted to bake cakes, breads, and muffins has seen the type of cracking that is shown in the Mid-Atlantic Ridge The cracking is not caused by a lowering of pressure across the outside of the bread, but an increase of pressure from the inside of the bread.
    Which is exactly what Dr. Brown proposes! Gravity (your "pressure") pressed the mantle upward beneath what became the Atlantic Basin in response to the removal of overlying burden.

    In the same manner, the Mid-Atlantic Ridge does not show the terracing expected if the rise of the ridge was related to the rise found inside of complex craters.
    Well, I'm not sure why the walls of a complex crater are terraced as opposed to a smaller crater, but I can tell you that the walls of the rupture in Dr. Brown's model are the continental rises at the edges of the Atlantic Basin (and elsewhere). They hydroplaned away from the rupture so perhaps what causes the terracing in craters was unable to affect the rises on Earth.

    Instead, the Mid-Atlantic Ridge shows the kind of rise expected from an increase of pressure in the magma of the earth which splits the crust of the earth like a ripe tomato.
    There was no crust. This idea provides a source for the increase in pressure. What we see today at the center of the Atlantic, the Mid Ocean Ridge, is not the firmament that was broken up. It is the response of the mantle (which was the floor of the subterranean water chamber) to the removal of mass above it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Right. Air pressure from within stretched the plastic of the balloon to breaking at its weakest point. Similarly, water pressure within the Earth stretched the firmament to breaking at its weakest point.
    I'm not sure the analogy is meant to stretch that far or even what particular morphology you are referring to. But the edge of the tear in the firmament looks like this:

    or this:

    This is after the torn edge has hydroplaned away from the initial rupture and crashed to a stop. You can see the edges easily in Google Maps and follow their extent up and down each coast of the Atlantic Ocean. Elsewhere, they are discoverable in patches, but have been over-ridden by trenches or other features.
    Water pressure did not stretch the atmosphere (firmament) to a breaking point, and what you are showing is the continental shelf, not the edge of the rupture.
    But, we were not talking about the continental shelf, we were talking about the mid-ocean ridges.

    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Where are these ridges you speak of?

    A mid-ocean ridge is a general term for an underwater mountain system that consists of various mountain ranges (chains), typically having a valley known as a rift running along its spine...
    The mid-ocean ridges of the world are connected and form a single global mid-oceanic ridge system that is part of every ocean, making the mid-oceanic ridge system the longest mountain range in the world. The continuous mountain range is 65,000 km (40,400 mi) long (several times longer than the Andes, the longest continental mountain range), and the total length of the oceanic ridge system is 80,000 km (49,700 mi) long.
    Here is what Dr. Brown says about the mid-ocean ridge:
    Rupture Phase. Centuries of tidal pumping (explained on page 120 and pages 510–511) powerfully increased the pressure in the subterranean water. This stretched the overlying crust, just as a balloon stretches when the pressure inside increases. Eventually, this shell of rock reached its failure point. Failure began with a microscopic crack at the earth’s surface. Because stresses in such cracks are concentrated at each end of the crack, each end grew rapidly—at about 3 miles per second. Within seconds, this crack penetrated down to the subterranean chamber and then followed the path of least resistance. The rupture probably completed its path around the earth in about 2 hours. Initial stresses were largely relieved when one end of the crack ran into the path left by the other end. In other words, the crack traveled a path that intersected itself at a large angle, forming a “T” or “Y” on the opposite side of the earth from where the rupture began.
    As the crack raced around the earth, the 10-mile-thick crust opened like a rip in a tightly stretched cloth. Pressure in the subterranean chamber directly beneath the rupture suddenly dropped to nearly atmospheric pressure. This caused supercritical water to explode with great violence out of the 10-mile-deep “slit” that wrapped around the earth like the seam of a baseball.
    All along this globe-circling rupture, whose path approximates today’s Mid-Oceanic Ridge, a fountain of water jetted supersonically into and far above the atmosphere.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    As explained in his description:


    Although a void opens up under the upbuckled foam mattress, no void would open up deep inside the earth, because pressures are too great. Consequently, high-pressure rock from below would buckle up to fill the space. That would not leave a void farther down, because even deeper rock would be squeezed up to fill the space. Ultimately, mass from the opposite side of the earth must depress to compensate for the rising of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge and the entire Atlantic floor.




    This process is what I attempted to show in my pretty animation from post 7:
    make a gif. The Atlantic basin is on the right side. Pacific on Left.
    The opposite side of the Earth from the Mid-Atlantic Ridge is the Pacific Basin.
    The opposite side of the Earth from the East Pacific Rise is the Himalaya Mountains.

    The Mid-Ocean Ridge encircles the entire globe, so there is no opposite side of the earth to depress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Water pressure did not stretch the atmosphere (firmament) to a breaking point, and what you are showing is the continental shelf, not the edge of the rupture. But, we were not talking about the continental shelf, we were talking about the mid-ocean ridges.
    The firmament is the Earth's crust, not the atmosphere. Both of these are key concepts presented in Dr. Brown's theory.

    SCW. At a pressure of one atmosphere—about 1.01 bar or 14.7 psi (pounds per square inch)—water boils at a temperature slightly above 212°F (100°C). As pressure increases, the boiling point rises. At a pressure of 3,200 psi (220.6 bars) the boiling temperature is 705°F (374°C). Above this pressure-temperature combination, called the critical point, water is supercritical and cannot boil.
    The initial pressure in the 10-mile-deep subterranean chamber was about 62,000 psi (4,270 bars)—far above the critical pressure. After about a century of tidal pumping, the subterranean water exceeded the critical temperature, 705°F. As the temperature continued to increase, the pressure grew, the crust stretched and weakened...
    as the SCW flowed toward the base of the rupture, its pressure dropped and the vapor portion expanded and cooled to an extreme extent. As it expanded, it pushed on the surrounding fluid (gas and liquid), giving all fluid downstream ever increasing kinetic energy.
    Eventually, the horizontally flowing liquid-gas mixture began to flow upward through the rupture. As the fluid rose, its pressure dropped to almost zero in seconds, so the electrical energy of ionization was released. The 10,000-fold expansion was a weeks-long, focused explosion of indescribable magnitude, accelerating the mixture, including rocks and dirt, into the vacuum of space.
    In summary, as the flood began, SCW jetted up through a globe-encircling rupture in the crust—as from a ruptured pressure cooker. This huge acceleration expanded the spacing between water molecules, allowing flash evaporation, sudden and extreme cooling, followed by even greater expansion, acceleration, and cooling. Therefore, most of the vast thermal, electrical, chemical, and surface energy in the subterranean water ended up not as heat at the earth’s surface but as extreme kinetic energy in all the fountains of the great deep. As you will see, these velocities were high enough to launch rocks into outer space—the final dumping ground for most of the energy in the SCW.






    Regions of Greatest Erosion. The water’s horizontal velocity and erosion power increase to the right. Because the water’s pressure decreases as it approaches the right edge, the hydroplate will sag downward, constricting the flow and increasing erosion even more. The bottom right of the hydroplate will, in effect, be beveled by the erosion, causing the top to incline downward. This process formed continental shelves and continental slopes around the world.




    and your own reading shows that water pressure from below is what is proposed that ruptured the firmament.

    Rupture Phase. Centuries of tidal pumping (explained on page 120 and pages 510–511) powerfully increased the pressure in the subterranean water. This stretched the overlying crust, just as a balloon stretches when the pressure inside increases. Eventually, this shell of rock reached its failure point. Failure began with a microscopic crack at the earth’s surface. Because stresses in such cracks are concentrated at each end of the crack, each end grew rapidly—at about 3 miles per second. Within seconds, this crack penetrated down to the subterranean chamber and then followed the path of least resistance. The rupture probably completed its path around the earth in about 2 hours. Initial stresses were largely relieved when one end of the crack ran into the path left by the other end. In other words, the crack traveled a path that intersected itself at a large angle, forming a “T” or “Y” on the opposite side of the earth from where the rupture began.
    As the crack raced around the earth, the 10-mile-thick crust opened like a rip in a tightly stretched cloth. Pressure in the subterranean chamber directly beneath the rupture suddenly dropped to nearly atmospheric pressure. This caused supercritical water to explode with great violence out of the 10-mile-deep “slit” that wrapped around the earth like the seam of a baseball.
    All along this globe-circling rupture, whose path approximates today’s Mid-Oceanic Ridge, a fountain of water jetted supersonically into and far above the atmosphere.

    The Mid-Ocean Ridge encircles the entire globe, so there is no opposite side of the earth to depress.
    Sure there is. Where the rupture first met equatorial latitudes, the gravity imbalance would have worked in that areas favour before the rupture reached the same latitude on the other side. Once started, the process favouring the Atlantic continued to do so even though the later rupture on the other side offset the process to some extent.

    If you place two weights on either end of a see-saw simultaneously it would , theoretically, remain balanced. But one will always hit earlier than the other in practice and the see-saw will favour that side and eventually fall to that side.

    I'm going to go through the formation and movement of the hydrooplates in my next post. Stay tuned!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    The firmament is the Earth's crust, not the atmosphere. Both of these are key concepts presented in Dr. Brown's theory.
    That was already adressed, and Dr. Brown's redefining the words in Genesis is not conclusive enough to call the crust the "firmament" despite God calling the "firmament" the sky.

    In future posts, please call the crust the crust and not the "firmament" so we do not rehash this point again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    That was already adressed, and Dr. Brown's redefining the words in Genesis is not conclusive enough to call the crust the "firmament" despite God calling the "firmament" the sky. In future posts, please call the crust the crust and not the "firmament" so we do not rehash this point again.
    When Dr. Brown says "firmament" he most likely means the Earth's crust. When I say firmament I probably mean the Earth's crust. We can also talk about the atmosphere, but in this thread we are discussing Dr. Brown's book, In The Beginning and his Hydroplate Theory. Thus we will stick with his assumptions.

    Unless you can show compelling reasons why we should not.

    BTW. The escaping water also pushed aside the atmosphere opening the "windows of heaven".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post

    I find it amazing how inconsistant Dr. Brown is with physics.
    In one image, he shows the continents having concave bottoms that arch over the water he claims is under them without coming close to the mantle, but in another image he shows the continents having convex bottoms that sink into the mantle.
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    I find it amazing how inconsistant Dr. Brown is with physics.
    In one image, he shows the continents having concave bottoms that arch over the water he claims is under them without coming close to the mantle, but in another image he shows the continents having convex bottoms that sink into the mantle.
    It's called isostasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    When Dr. Brown says "firmament" he most likely means the Earth's crust. When I say firmament I probably mean the Earth's crust. We can also talk about the atmosphere, but in this thread we are discussing Dr. Brown's book, In The Beginning and his Hydroplate Theory. Thus we will stick with his assumptions.

    Unless you can show compelling reasons why we should not.
    If we are sticking with Dr. Brown's assumptions, then lets stick with the actual terms Dr. Brown uses in his book: crust, hydroplates, continents, etc.
    Dr. Brown does not repeatedly use the term "firmament" throughout his book, he only used that term on the page dealing with Genesis 1 as far as I can find.
    To me, sticking with the words used by Dr. Brown should be a compelling enough of a reason to stop using "firmament".
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    If we are sticking with Dr. Brown's assumptions, then lets stick with the actual terms Dr. Brown uses in his book: crust, hydroplates, continents, etc.
    OK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    I'm going to go through the formation and movement of the hydrooplates in my next post. Stay tuned!
    This could be interesting.
    I am still trying to identify the problems that Dr. Brown's Hydroplate Theory solves that are not solved by other theories.
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    I am still trying to identify the problems that Dr. Brown's Hydroplate Theory solves that are not solved by other theories.
    The biggest and most obvious one is the mechanism for moving large masses of rock around the planet.
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    I watched the video, and the Hydroplate Theory is making less sense now than it did before.
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