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    Quote Originally Posted by John Mortimer View Post
    I work for a wage in what americans would term, a "grocery store".
    One day not that long ago, there was an infant - no more than six months old - being taken round the store by his/her mother and we both caught sight of each other at the same moment. I smiled and instantly he/she smiled back. That smile honestly changed my life. There was such purity in that smile! No assessments, no judgements, no self-interest......just a whole hearted smile that was expressed more so by the eyes than the mouth.
    I was so moved by this moment that I had to take my break early and get space and peace to think about why it had had such an effect on me. Then I realised that, quite spontaneously, a deep spiritual question that had been bothering, (maybe even tormenting me), had been resolved. The Hindu / Buddhist concept of "nothingness" or the "void" had always troubled me because I could not dis-associate the concept from dismal, bland, uneventful darkness. However, now I had experienced that "nothingness" as it truly is, in the eyes of that adorable infant. No assessment, no judgement, no pre-judgement, no self interest, just.........??? And that's the thing; I can't really find a word for what that was but it was heaven on earth.
    I call such moments "at-one-ment". When I am lost to time and space and united with all that is. I've experienced them many times and while their duration is fleeting still, always regard them as exquisite gifts meant to be lived and treasured.

    Or as Calvin used to say "I've been transmogrified!"

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    I love to watch my youngest 2 children with their Dad. He is a great Dad....and they simply adore him. The looks they get in their eyes, the way they hug and kiss him....I could watch it all day long

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    I LOVE to see great big rough guys [brickies] with their small children...don't tell me there is no God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totton Linnet View Post
    I LOVE to see great big rough guys [brickies] with their small children...don't tell me there is no God.



    I know, right. You get these big, tough, strong dudes...total men...and yet a small child can melt their heart....

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    So I was thinking lately about the apostate again. Well, it I was reminded of my position on apostasy and how I've maintained the apostate falls out of the state of belief in his understanding of God because he vested his trust in his expectation/notion of God and not in God Himself, of God transcendent and beyond his ability to frame beyond the example of Christ and the Word.

    But there's another thought in that and it is this...God has told us we can't really comprehend Him, only note His nature as He expresses it to and in us. So none of us can say we apprehend God, which is why I believe faith is vital and stressed in the Word as it is...it's also part of the hope for those who have been disabused of their love for their notion of Him, who nevertheless desired Him.

    And if that's so then they may be as mistaken in their current state as they were in their approach and God is not done with them, whether or not they believe they are done with Him.
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    Moments in time, are actually microcosms of eternity that escape time, that they are not moments at all, but views of the eternal.
    5 years ago, my beautiful wife was struck with lymphoma and a variety of doctor's had no idea what it was but a form of Hodgkins likely.
    My mother-in-law called me on the phone and prayed for me. She prayed I'd have strength. She prayed God would comfort me.
    I was and am eternally, forever touched, that the mother of my wife, would forgo her own hurts and fears, at losing a daughter, step out of that debilitation, and pray for me, as her son-in-law.
    My wife lived and my mother-in-law died three years ago, but not before telling me how much I meant to her and her daughter. Eternity stopped, or more rightly exploded forever, in those precious moments in time, 5 years ago, that will be with me the rest of my life.

    There are perhaps a few dozen more or less of such eternal moments in our lives. Thanks for creating a thread that makes us all take a moment to remind ourselves where God has touched us, in our moments in time, where we live, and changed us forever.
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    I was surprised by the hostility that met my position on apostasy within the few apostate who considered or answered on it, given that to follow my argument was to understand an investment of hope in anyone who once had the genuine impulse to know and/or follow God; further, that the impulse itself was and remains a thing that can be vested and experienced as it should have been if not for the interjection of an object in which that impulse was vested and of which it cannot be said to have been God, between the apostate and God.

    But a man who desires separation from God desires rejection of that former affiliation. He is in the throes of something that will resist any attempt to reconcile him with the good and salvific impulse and I am now convinced that only prayer and God's own time will make any real difference for him. He is beyond the process of reasoning against his fall having by virtue of that mistaken object believed himself to have been reasoned out of it.
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    My snapshots of eternity, are as my camera, dishelved, but incredibly meaningful moments that are viewed through the thick gel of time, by the tail, but well beyond it's confines. I believe something eternal indwells us, simply because we are inhabited by it. Everything screams against the short life-span toward not just everlasting meaning, but significant eternal meaning. I think, this conveyance, if not by me, will be retold on earth as it already has been:

    ALASKA!

    Every Jack London Jack of us Called of the Wild, has dreamed that dream and captured our imaginations, and longings, if not our selves.

    (the rest of you? If that didn't grab you, nothing to see here It 'might' not be your eternal moment, but I'm trying to share....


    It was late at night, which in Alaska means, "I'm Blind!!!" without headlights or a reading map. Remember the scene in Bruce Almighty where he grabs the moon and pulls it to 30x closer? That's Alaska. God did it a long time ago, but our 'artificial lights' bounce off the atmosphere and cloud the sky. Just once, one time a year, we should have a mandatory world-wide power outage (well, unless you have smog, but the rest of us). The sky in Alaska is brilliant with stars. Because they are the only lights in the sky, they are many times brighter and closer appearing than anything in the lower 48. On this night, I was doubting, and feeling sorry for myself. It wasn't a permanent job and I had gotten the news that it was going to end sooner than later. The sky was its usual brilliance that night, no clouds, clear, dark, beautiful. I could see the Big and little dipper. They came to my eyes rather quickly. There was Orion's, and the Milky Way, especially milky. I thanked God for the beauty of it. It put my little concerns in perspective. A few stars started falling then. Just a couple of meteorites burning in the atmosphere leaving trails. Still, brilliant and noticeable. I worked the nightshift and had an hour drive to home from Wasilla to Big Lake where I lived. It was a longer road home when I was thinking about what I was going to do next. The Northern Lights began waving in the sky. It wasn't just a single sheet of magnetic light, but waves, more than I could count shimmering. Sheets of brilliant color waving and undulating. If you haven't seen them, think 'moving rainbow at night' as to beauty. I remember a few of my first rainbows as a child. Rainbows and Northern Lights remind us that the Heavens display the handiwork of God. That was my lesson, my comfort, my reminder of eternal amongst the brutal ticking of the clock. My employment minutes were ticking away but seemed rather unimportant against this backdrop. I thanked God for this. It was a special drive home. Driving the last 10 minute leg to home, the sun crested the mountains and splashed beautiful hues into the sky, then, and more incredibly, the mountains turned to a molten bronze, as if God were pouring His forged metal over the mountain tops. I have never before or since seen the like of it. I had to pull over for a few moments (not explaining that). That hour drive is indelibly etched in my mind and consciousness like no other nature/outdoor experience. It is the pinnacle mark against all other outdoor experiences I've ever had, and it is a momentary snapshot of eternal life which David spoke of thousands of years before me - Psalm 19
    Spoiler
    Psalm 19
    19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
    2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
    3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
    4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
    5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
    6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.


    7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
    8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.
    9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
    10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
    11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
    12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
    13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
    14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.
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    Omniscient without man's qualification. John 1:3 "Nothing"
    Colossians 1:17 "Nothing" John 15:5 "Nothing"
    Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
    No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
    Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

    Is Calvinism okay? Yep

    Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    So I was thinking lately about the apostate again. Well, it I was reminded of my position on apostasy and how I've maintained the apostate falls out of the state of belief in his understanding of God because he vested his trust in his expectation/notion of God and not in God Himself, of God transcendent and beyond his ability to frame beyond the example of Christ and the Word.

    But there's another thought in that and it is this...God has told us we can't really comprehend Him, only note His nature as He expresses it to and in us. So none of us can say we apprehend God, which is why I believe faith is vital and stressed in the Word as it is...it's also part of the hope for those who have been disabused of their love for their notion of Him, who nevertheless desired Him.

    And if that's so then they may be as mistaken in their current state as they were in their approach and God is not done with them, whether or not they believe they are done with Him.
    Well said! We have been discussing this very issue in a Bible study at my church currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    My snapshots of eternity, are as my camera, dishelved, but incredibly meaningful moments that are viewed through the thick gel of time, by the tail, but well beyond it's confines. I believe something eternal indwells us, simply because we are inhabited by it. Everything screams against the short life-span toward not just everlasting meaning, but significant eternal meaning. I think, this conveyance, if not by me, will be retold on earth as it already has been:

    ALASKA!

    Every Jack London Jack of us Called of the Wild, has dreamed that dream and captured our imaginations, and longings, if not our selves.

    (the rest of you? If that didn't grab you, nothing to see here It 'might' not be your eternal moment, but I'm trying to share....


    It was late at night, which in Alaska means, "I'm Blind!!!" without headlights or a reading map. Remember the scene in Bruce Almighty where he grabs the moon and pulls it to 30x closer? That's Alaska. God did it a long time ago, but our 'artificial lights' bounce off the atmosphere and cloud the sky. Just once, one time a year, we should have a mandatory world-wide power outage (well, unless you have smog, but the rest of us). The sky in Alaska is brilliant with stars. Because they are the only lights in the sky, they are many times brighter and closer appearing than anything in the lower 48. On this night, I was doubting, and feeling sorry for myself. It wasn't a permanent job and I had gotten the news that it was going to end sooner than later. The sky was its usual brilliance that night, no clouds, clear, dark, beautiful. I could see the Big and little dipper. They came to my eyes rather quickly. There was Orion's, and the Milky Way, especially milky. I thanked God for the beauty of it. It put my little concerns in perspective. A few stars started falling then. Just a couple of meteorites burning in the atmosphere leaving trails. Still, brilliant and noticeable. I worked the nightshift and had an hour drive to home from Wasilla to Big Lake where I lived. It was a longer road home when I was thinking about what I was going to do next. The Northern Lights began waving in the sky. It wasn't just a single sheet of magnetic light, but waves, more than I could count shimmering. Sheets of brilliant color waving and undulating. If you haven't seen them, think 'moving rainbow at night' as to beauty. I remember a few of my first rainbows as a child. Rainbows and Northern Lights remind us that the Heavens display the handiwork of God. That was my lesson, my comfort, my reminder of eternal amongst the brutal ticking of the clock. My employment minutes were ticking away but seemed rather unimportant against this backdrop. I thanked God for this. It was a special drive home. Driving the last 10 minute leg to home, the sun crested the mountains and splashed beautiful hues into the sky, then, and more incredibly, the mountains turned to a molten bronze, as if God were pouring His forged metal over the mountain tops. I have never before or since seen the like of it. I had to pull over for a few moments (not explaining that). That hour drive is indelibly etched in my mind and consciousness like no other nature/outdoor experience. It is the pinnacle mark against all other outdoor experiences I've ever had, and it is a momentary snapshot of eternal life which David spoke of thousands of years before me - Psalm 19
    Spoiler
    Psalm 19
    19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
    2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
    3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
    4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
    5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
    6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.


    7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
    8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.
    9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
    10 More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb.
    11 Moreover by them is thy servant warned: and in keeping of them there is great reward.
    12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
    13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
    14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.
    Thanks Lon for an incredibly beautiful and moving post! I treasure your presence here. Blessings Dearie!

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    A humorous eternity moment

    My daughter was three and a half, still using a 'bink' (pacifier). Our thinking was that if we took it away, she might go to the thumb, and so we decided a 'thing' was better than the other. She was the only one of the kids who stuck with it that long but we thought a pacifier was easier to quit than a thumb, which would be with her long after the pacifier disappeared.

    My brother helped put her in her car seat when we were leaving his house one day and said "Give me that bink. You are too old for that." I didn't let him take it, but I said, "It might be time."

    She inhaled that pacifier like it was part of her face and never coming out again. All the way home, that bink bobbed with fury and she didn't say a word. About 30 minutes later, we pulled into our driveway and heard that unmistakable pop of a bink pulled from the mouth. For 30 minutes she had grudged and finally let out: "Me and my bink are running away!"
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    Mighty, ALL mighty (omnipotent). Revelation 1:8
    No possible limitation Isaiah 40:25 Joshua 24:15
    Infinite (Omnipresent) Psalm 145:3 Hebrews 4:13

    Is Calvinism okay? Yep

    Now to Him who is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think... Amen. -Ephesians 3:20 & 21

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    My oldest was about 3 and had a little bear that went with her nearly everywhere. She had a terrible cold one winters eve so we decided to put a little Mentholatum rub on her chest. It helped her sleep at night. Shortly after putting the rub on, she disappeared from her room while we were getting her bed ready to tuck here in. We went looking for her and found her sitting on the bathroom floor with Ty, the bear, laying in front of her. In one hand she held the jar of Mentholatum, her other hand had Mentholatumrub on her fingers and Ty's chest was a gooey mess. We weren't mad, but we asked her, "What are you doing?" She looked up and said, "Ty sick!"

    We took Ty to wipe off the goo and explain that she was a good mommy for taking care of Ty but that Ty didn't need the Mentholatum rub to feel better. Off they went to bed and the next morning, Ty got a proper bath.
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    So I've pulled out of the apologetics/apostate chastising business. Had a very curious thing happen while considering the entirety of witness, what we should be about and what might be energy better applied. Two quotes came to me by two different messengers to settle the topic for me... the first was via Augustine of Hippo: "“The truth is like a lion; you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself.” And that stopped me. Later, watching A.D. (which has been interesting since it moved beyond a portrayal of yet another model turned Jesus into a different look at Pilot and the apostles) that line was echoed again.

    "Okay. All right," I said to God. "I'm listening. I get it." And the band aid ripped away.

    The problem with defending the truth is that it never asks us to do that in the first place. It doesn't require us to do it and when we try, however well intentioned we may consider ourselves we're considering ourselves too much and it can't help but come to that, too easily become a thing of pride instead of love. Some men may be able to avoid that. They're better men. I'm weak. I require grace and love and a steady, gentle (and not so) direction by the Author.

    So today I'm more interested in speaking the truth that God gives me. And that truth is profoundly simple. Love God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself. Reconcile yourself to God through submission to Christ, who is the actual truth. Become what you were meant to be. Find the joy that is your inheritance. And God keep you all the days of your lives.
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