What Did Paul Know?
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paulpeterson83 said:
You're not sorry you posted as you did. You had every intention of doing so or you would not have. You haven't followed the line closely either. The questons have been for all smiles and him alone . He has been gracious enough to answer for which I thank him. So where did your use of the plural come from? I was trying to establish a frame of reference, some common ground to understand. How do you find out answers to a question you have? I ask. The caveat was there. All Smiles did not have to answer. Two things you were right about. First, All Smiles is very knowledgable. Second, one man doesn't know anothers heart does he. Thank you for your support. No more questions necessary.
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Granite said:Accusing me of antipathetic apologetics is rich coming from a Mormon, of all people.
I'm openly apologetic. You are trying to play like your view is the only logical conclusion.
I never said he had no clue who Jesus was. He obviously did as he persecuted his followers. What I'm saying is that for you to take seeming ommisions of certain gosple principles not exaustively available where you, by some abstract and irrelevant standard, judge they should exist, as evidence that the whole of the story of Jesus being a fabrication, is absured. This is the piece meal type attack made on the likes of Anne Frank's journal entries, one that finds what it portrays to be critical discrepancies, but once exposed to the light and perspective claimed by the writtings and the surounding circumstances, become very acceptable--if not entirely expected--results of the piece of the whole piece of evidence at hand.
Apologetics, openly advertised as such, is an honest portrayal of what is being attempted. When apologetics is shrouded in the veil of a psuedo-attempt at finding the 'truth' rather than defending a previously specified dogma, then it is insidious and disingenuous.
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Aimiel said:
My friend, every time you type you are using corrupt communication. I'm not personaly one for 'colorfull metaphores' but you are taking this to a Pharissaical absured. This is diging a hedge up around the law. Not obeying it, but creating an entirely new set of laws NOT original proscribed by God. Your mentality is the same kind of stupid filtering that would change the word of God by several jot and tiddles if it were to be placed wholesale here on TOL. Grow up.
"...and shutteth up his bowels..."
Would you prefere the scriptures not even talk of such?
Aimiel
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You misunderstand The Word of God, as usual. Corrupt communication doesn't mean censoring The Word of God, it means potty mouth. The Lord doesn't want us to curse, and said so. No man can tame his tongue, since it is set on fire by hell itself; it takes the work of The Holy Spirit to do so. Your 'mentality' leaves a lot to be desired. You need to do some maturing, and not just when it comes to understanding The Word of God, you also need to learn who is your friend and who is not. The LDS church is not your friend. They represent the enemy of your soul, being a cult, designed in hell.Mustard Seed said:
Mustard Seed said:
This isn't evidence "the whole story" of Jesus is a fabrication. I'd say a lot of it is, and this omission and Paul's silence is very telling. Is mine the only logical conclusion? Of course not. But it certainly makes sense. If Paul didn't describe certain events he must have or should have been privy to, a very key and prominent witness to Jesus' life is giving us nothing but silence.
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Granite said:
My issue is that you determine that the lack of that evidence stems from it's non-existance. You haven't searched everywhere, you don't have access to the person of Paul. You are saying that the cake was never created when if it had been consumed it would have left nigh identical evidences, especialy with how far removed we are, chronologicaly, from the event in question. It's again like me concluding you never went to elementary school because I can't find any mention of it, or of your teachers, here on TOL. It's just absured to put it down as significant, or even slightly notable, evidence for your view, when it is the very lacking of evidence that the whole point is leaning on.
allsmiles said:
No allsmiles, one last post that will be construed by some, possibly you included, to be off point and arrogant and I'm ready for the flak but will not post to any that comes my way. What did Paul know? He knew Christ and the power of the resurrection. He was not ashamed of the Gospel, the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and neither am I. I was intrigued and saddened when you said that you were an ex-Christian. By answering my questions that thought has remained with me. I've asked myself, with the the knowledge this young person has, how could he/she (You never said) have exchanged the truth for a lie? I don't say that with arrogance or as a putdown to you but as an affirmation of my own belief. The answer was right in front of my nose all the time. Christianity is a religion by definition but more than that it is a relationship with God first and people second for those who choose to embrace it as such. But you already know all this, I was slow in getting it. Thanks for being open, candid, and sharing about yourself. That's it.
Peace be with you.
Bright Raven said:
Okay, so being polite obviously is unknown to you. When I said I was sorry, I was just being polite for interjecting into a conversation that was already underway. Thats what that meant, so in a way, you were right I was really sorry for posting what I did, just for interjecting.
And yes, I had been following, it. You were demanding Allsmiles to give you, his background and credentials other wise the rest of his post was "meaningless". As for the plural, I was lumping Granite in there too. As for your frame of reference, how about being polite? Did you try that approach? A PM works. Seriously though, my biggest problem was with the way you handled it, you called them on carpet so I did the same to you. Doesnt feel so good does it? Second, it was support, it was rebuke genious boy.
Plus the questions you were asking would make no difference, if you believe you believe, thats the bottom line, it doesnt matter how long you were a Christian or events of your conversion, you should know that. Your questions were irrelivent and rather childish. It would be like demanding to know how old some one is because of a post.
Question, when did AS not have an answer for the questions you asked? You were being so nondiscriptive in your line of questions it was hard to even read them, you made very little to no sense what so ever. You need to link words that make sense together, not just random ones.
Thanks for your time BR, you've been fun.
paulpeterson83 said:Okay, so being polite obviously is unknown to you. When I said I was sorry, I was just being polite for interjecting into a conversation that was already underway. Thats what that meant, so in a way, you were right I was really sorry for posting what I did, just for interjecting.
And yes, I had been following, it. You were demanding Allsmiles to give you, his background and credentials other wise the rest of his post was "meaningless". As for the plural, I was lumping Granite in there too. As for your frame of reference, how about being polite? Did you try that approach? A PM works. Seriously though, my biggest problem was with the way you handled it, you called them on carpet so I did the same to you. Doesnt feel so good does it? Second, it was support, it was rebuke genious boy.
Plus the questions you were asking would make no difference, if you believe you believe, thats the bottom line, it doesnt matter how long you were a Christian or events of your conversion, you should know that. Your questions were irrelivent and rather childish. It would be like demanding to know how old some one is because of a post.
Question, when did AS not have an answer for the questions you asked? You were being so nondiscriptive in your line of questions it was hard to even read them, you made very little to no sense what so ever. You need to link words that make sense together, not just random ones.
Thanks for your time BR, you've been fun.
Paul, I'm not the greatest grammarian around and the method of questioning will improve. Reread the post. Did you get that I understood your rebuke and sincerely thanked you for it. Peace
What Did Paul Know?
I have not had time to read all the posts. So, if this was already covered, I apologize:
1Ti 1:12-13 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; (13) Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
How can some one do something ignorantly in unbelief? I asked Duane Gallentine, that question once and his reply pretty much answers the question "What did Paul know?"
Granite said:
I have not had time to read all the posts. So, if this was already covered, I apologize:
1Ti 1:12-13 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; (13) Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
How can some one do something ignorantly in unbelief? I asked Duane Gallentine, that question once and his reply pretty much answers the question "What did Paul know?"