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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost View Post
    Side issue: Do you also believe that those in Christ who have eternal life will also perpetually know all the evil thoughts and deeds in eternity? If not, why not?
    My philosophical guess: Yes. Perptually, like it is always the dinner topic? No.
    Remembering sin, we will never go back because we remember its consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost View Post
    Okay, I believe you believe this. Thanks for your input.

    Side issue: Do you also believe that those in Christ who have eternal life will also perpetually know all the evil thoughts and deeds in eternity? If not, why not?
    All of their own evil thoughts and deeds? I think so, I think that is probably part of the purification process. How can one know God's mercy without fully understanding their own culpability and failure before Him? The more I know and understand my own sin, the greater my love for God. Knowledge of past sins is not equivalent to guilt, for we have been pardoned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zippy2006 View Post

    All of their own evil thoughts and deeds? I think so, I think that is probably part of the purification process. How can one know God's mercy without fully understanding their own culpability and failure before Him? The more I know and understand my own sin, the greater my love for God. Knowledge of past sins is not equivalent to guilt, for we have been pardoned.
    I'm not talking about in these bodies, but in our eternal ones. Will we have the capacity to remember our evil acts and thoughts and the evil acts (we are aware of now) of others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost View Post
    okay

    Then you conclude that all evil thoughts and acts of men are perpetually and eternally "forever" in the mind of God? God has never been apart from the knowledge of all evil thoughts and deeds?
    thanks for the reply



    No, thatís what you conclude, of your own mind. If you notice God is not in darkness His Word is Light, which is of Him. The darkness cannot stop the Light from being.

    All evil thoughts and acts of men are perpetually and eternally "forever" in darkness, Yes. But of the mind of God, No.



    That which is not the Truth is not of God. But the father of lies knows who God is and had at one time seen the face of God. But was cast out of Godís Presence which would have to be into darkness. But with out knowing who God is and had seen Godís face, the father of lies would not know what to lie about. The serpent had to find out what Eve didnít know or understand before the serpent could see what lie he could tell, knowing full well what error Eve had of the knowledge and understanding of Godís Word she lacked. It is not of God that there be a lie, it is the lying about God or what God said, that brought forth the knowledge of evil. Adam and Eve knew the Word of God in the Presence of God, they already knew what was good, and good for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DPMartin View Post

    No, thatís what you conclude, of your own mind.
    No, I'm only following the logic of those who claim that God knows all things.

    All evil thoughts and acts of men are perpetually and eternally "forever" in darkness, Yes. But of the mind of God, No.
    So then God knows of the darkness, just not everything in the darkness?



    That which is not the Truth is not of God. But the father of lies knows who God is and had at one time seen the face of God. But was cast out of Godís Presence
    So then God is not omnipresent? Just like He is also not omniscient?

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    Ghost seems to think that God's knowledge of darkness, ontologically changes God into darkness, which is too horrible to consider, so to remedy this (faulty) possibility, Ghost denies and thereby limits God's knowledge, in an effort to preserve the goodness of God.

    But all ghost achieves is a human version of God, which of course constitutes an idol.

    Open Theists worship an idol of their own making.
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

    " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
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    Quote Originally Posted by ghost View Post
    All of their own evil thoughts and deeds? I think so, I think that is probably part of the purification process. How can one know God's mercy without fully understanding their own culpability and failure before Him? The more I know and understand my own sin, the greater my love for God. Knowledge of past sins is not equivalent to guilt, for we have been pardoned.
    I'm not talking about in these bodies, but in our eternal ones. Will we have the capacity to remember our evil acts and thoughts and the evil acts (we are aware of now) of others?
    I don't think my answer would change (in fact I was referring to our eternal existence in Heaven). I sure hope I don't forget what foolishness God has saved me from, lest I forget His mercy and goodness. In fact I think this is our very advantage over Adam.


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    It kind of reminds me of the same odd logic held by the Exchaned Lifers who believe a sinner's knowledge of God's forgiveness, ontologically changes them into sinless beings.

    Not so.

    Forgiven sinners remain sinful men, and the omniscient God remains God, despite His knowledge of the sins He forgives.
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

    " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
    Gordon H. Clark

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    Ghost seems to think that God's knowledge of darkness, ontologically changes God into darkness
    Nang either has reading comprehension problems or is intentionally deceptive. No other possibility exists.

    I have neither suggested or believe any such thing.

    The woman (I use that term generously) has not a clue. She still has no idea what questions I've asked, nor does she have a single productive comment in this thread. As always, she's just being her typical busybody meddling in things she can't comprehend, let alone constructively contribute.

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    Ghost, review your post #44.
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

    " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
    Gordon H. Clark

    "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    My philosophical guess: Yes. Perptually, like it is always the dinner topic? No.
    Remembering sin, we will never go back because we remember its consequences.
    Yes, 'knowing evil', is not evil of itself. It is the thought, born through lust, and, acted upon that evil becomes something 'bad'.

    I have struggled with this topic in the past.

    God finally got it unmixed in my head.

    For example...

    It is not a bad thing that I know the 'works of the evil one', for we are told to not be without that knowledge.

    It is only a 'bad' thing when we DO the 'works of the evil one'.

    God has never been tempted to DO evil, nor indeed can He.

    He does KNOW what evil is, and what it's result will be, and why.

    His plan from the beginning included Him knowing evil...it did NOT include Him being the ONE whom worked it.

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    Right. God possessing knowledge of realities outside His Being, does not threaten His Being.
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

    " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
    Gordon H. Clark

    "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    Ghost, review your post #44.
    Did, now what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by graceandpeace View Post
    Yes, 'knowing evil', is not evil of itself. It is the thought, born through lust, and, acted upon that evil becomes something 'bad'.

    I have struggled with this topic in the past.

    God finally got it unmixed in my head.

    For example...

    It is not a bad thing that I know the 'works of the evil one', for we are told to not be without that knowledge.

    It is only a 'bad' thing when we DO the 'works of the evil one'.

    God has never been tempted to DO evil, nor indeed can He.

    He does KNOW what evil is, and what it's result will be, and why.

    His plan from the beginning included Him knowing evil...it did NOT include Him being the ONE whom worked it.
    Calvinism teaches that God not only knows all things evil but brings them all to pass.

    Where did evil come from before God created the angels and man? Is evil eternal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    Ghost seems to think that God's knowledge of darkness, ontologically changes God into darkness, which is too horrible to consider, so to remedy this (faulty) possibility, Ghost denies and thereby limits God's knowledge, in an effort to preserve the goodness of God.

    But all ghost achieves is a human version of God, which of course constitutes an idol.

    Open Theists worship an idol of their own making.
    A bit too strong of an assessment I think, although its certainly a compromise to try and explain the eternal nature of God in a way that is more acceptable from a humanistic standpoint.

    God is eternal, the natural man is not. We bridge the gap by faith, not philosophy.
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