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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuu View Post
    No, I was just reflecting on your own statement that you don't listen to what you consider to be "arrogant".

    Of course you never said what was arrogant about it.

    It's not me that's lazy.

    Stuart
    The fact that you don't see what's arrogant about it just proves my point that it's arrogance.

    "It must be this way; it can't be any other way."

    You really don't see the arrogance in that?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuu View Post
    "Your statement "god created"..."
    God's statement (Ge 1:1). God said he created. Believe him (Jn 3:12).

    Quote Originally Posted by Stuu View Post
    "...[A]ppears to be contradicted by it: The work of making and forming consists of organizing already existing materials into more complex systems, whereas the act of creation is that of speaking into existence something whose materials had no previous existence."
    Only God can make something ex nihilo (out of nothing). Learn about making wine and suspending the First Law of Thermodynamics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuu View Post
    Only "Science has a real, evidence-based explanation for why there is matter in the universe."
    [Edited Sermon Notes Evolution: Fact or Fiction by Adrian Rogers] Did God make man or did man make God? Is man the special creation of almightily God or is God a figment of man’s imagination? 1 Ti 6:20

    Evolution: Nothing + time + chance = everything. It's a fairy tale for adults.

    Why I reject the theory of evolution:

    1. For logical reasons

    a. Well-trained scientists do not believe

    b. Not founded on observation

    c. Wholly unsupported by facts

    2. Evolutionists do not have answers for:

    a. The origin of life

    b. Fixity of the species

    c. The fossil record

    d. The Second Law of Thermodynamics

    e. Certain properties that exist which have nothing to do with "survival of the fittest"

    2. Moral reasons

    a. People are an accident

    b. The depraved have believed

    3. Theological reasons

    a. No first parents

    b. No paradise

    c. No fall

    c. Atonement collapses

    Full text: Edited sermon notes Evolution: Fact or Fiction by Adrian Rogers

    "When a scientists says he believes the Bible--that doesn't give me anymore more faith in the Bible that gives me more faith in the scientist." ~ Adrian Rogers
    Last edited by serpentdove; October 25th, 2011 at 10:58 AM. Reason: post error

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    The fact that you don't see what's arrogant about it just proves my point that it's arrogance.

    "It must be this way; it can't be any other way."

    You really don't see the arrogance in that?
    I agree, there is an element of arrogance in that. However, you would have to understand the background to the comment, which includes the fact that there is NO explanation for how DNA came to be the replicating molecule in all living things. If you don't have an alternative then it would be arrogant of you to call this arrogance if Dawkins has the best candidate explanation, which he does.

    Stuart

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuu View Post
    I agree, there is an element of arrogance in that. However, you would have to understand the background to the comment, which includes the fact that there is NO explanation for how DNA came to be the replicating molecule in all living things. If you don't have an alternative then it would be arrogant of you to call this arrogance if Dawkins has the best candidate explanation, which he does.

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    Prove it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    Prove it.
    You are claiming it is arrogance because there might be other explanations. So you have the burden of proof of your claim, I can't prove a negative.

    This is really basic stuff, Lighthouse. Are you up to the conversation?

    Stuart

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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
    God's statement (Ge 1:1). God said he created. Believe him (Jn 3:12).
    Don't worry about actually reading what I write. Just ignore it and carry on as if in monologue.

    Only God can make something ex nihilo (out of nothing). Learn about making wine and suspending the First Law of Thermodynamics.

    See:

    Life of Jesus Volume 1: Jesus Tests and Builds Faith Pt 2b (right click, open) by Darrell Ferguson



    [Edited Sermon Notes Evolution: Fact or Fiction by Adrian Rogers] Did God make man or did man make God? Is man the special creation of almightily God or is God a figment of man’s imagination? 1 Ti 6:20

    Evolution: Nothing + time + chance = everything. It's a fairy tale for adults.

    Why I reject the theory of evolution:

    1. For logical reasons

    a. Well-trained scientists do not believe

    b. Not founded on observation

    c. Wholly unsupported by facts

    2. Evolutionists do not have answers for:

    a. The origin of life

    b. Fixity of the species

    c. The fossil record

    d. The Second Law of Thermodynamics

    e. Certain properties that exist which have nothing to do with "survival of the fittest"

    2. Moral reasons

    a. People are an accident

    b. The depraved have believed

    3. Theological reasons

    a. No first parents

    b. No paradise

    c. No fall

    c. Atonement collapses

    Full text: Edited sermon notes Evolution: Fact or Fiction by Adrian Rogers

    "When a scientists says he believes the Bible--that doesn't give me anymore more faith in the Bible that gives me more faith in the scientist." ~ Adrian Rogers
    Get back to us when you can disprove evolution by natural selection, won't you.

    You know, by actually showing us evidence instead of copying and pasting creationist canards that, despite their lack of sophistication are still apparently too difficult for you to write down as original thoughts of your own. Can you appreciate how far it is from the level of cognition you are displaying here to the depth of analysis required to understand and criticise evolution credibly?

    Apparently not.

    Stuart

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuu View Post
    Don't worry about actually reading what I write. Just ignore it and carry on as if in monologue.
    Ge 1:1 isn't going anywhere. Start there.

    "If Genesis 3 is a myth then John 3 is a farce. You must be born again." ~ Adrian Rogers
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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
    Does Entropy Contradict Evolution? by Henry Morris, Ph.D.
    SD, when you find that two professionals are making opposing claims in a technical field, how do you decide which one is most likely to be correct? Specifically, Henry Morris, in the article you link to, makes some claims about the Second Law of Thermodynamics. There are other scientists who have directly addressed the ideas that Dr. Morris brings up, and say he is wrong. How to decide?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavisBJ View Post
    "SD, when you find that two professionals are making opposing claims in a technical field, how do you decide which one is most likely to be correct?"
    I keep reading.

    Quote Originally Posted by DavisBJ View Post
    "Specifically, Henry Morris, in the article you link to, makes some claims about the Second Law of Thermodynamics. There are other scientists who have directly addressed the ideas that Dr. Morris brings up, and say he is wrong. How to decide?"
    Morris has gone home to be with the Lord. His son, John, continues his work. I've have a nice picture with him by the way.

    In general, things break down. You can buy a nice car but it you don't care for it, it will look terrible eventually. Adrian Rogers said: "If you disagree with the Second Law of Thermodynamics take a look at your son's room."

    What specifically do you disagree with in the article? Creation science is ongoing. Ps 104:24

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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
    In general, things break down. You can buy a nice car but it you don't care for it, it will look terrible eventually.
    The Second Law isn’t an “in general” law. It either holds, or it doesn’t. Are there physical things that become more organized over time? (Ever watched a baby grow?)
    Adrian Rogers said: "If you disagree with the Second Law of Thermodynamics take a look at your son's room."

    What specifically do you disagree with in the article?
    Frank Lambert, Professor of Physics, has a number of articles showing that Adrian Rogers is a babbling fool when it comes to expounding on things he has no understanding of.
    Creation science is ongoing. Ps 104:24
    Ongoing, yes. But sterile. The scriptures and divine underpinnings that creation science relies on have been around for more than two millennia – centuries before science was recognized as a discipline for learning about the physical world. Care to list the advances in our understanding of the world that came from creation science, and how many advances resulted from secular science?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavisBJ View Post
    Are there physical things that become more organized over time?
    You cannot get people from pond scum.

    Quote Originally Posted by DavisBJ View Post
    "Adrian Rogers is a babbling fool..."
    Ad hominem. He was a fine servant of the Lord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
    You cannot get people from pond scum.
    You are ducking the question. Adrian Rogers makes claims about the Second Law. One of those claims is that things do not get more organized. I gave a trivial example where something does increase its organization. Do you have the integrity to respond to the specific example I gave disproving Adrian’s claim?
    Ad hominem. He was a fine servant of the Lord.
    I said nothing about his religion. I did say that he was way off base in the claims he made about the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavisBJ View Post
    [Baby] I gave a trivial example where something does increase its organization.
    Are you trying to take credit for what God formed? Jer 1:5

    Quote Originally Posted by DavisBJ View Post
    I said nothing about his religion. I did say that he [Rogers] was way off base in the claims he made about the Second Law of Thermodynamics.
    He said rooms get messy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
    Are you trying to take credit for what God formed? Jer 1:5

    He said rooms get messy.
    I hadn’t realized you were really just an alter-ego for Seydlitz. Or are you secretly desirous of becoming his 3rd plural wife? Just won’t give a direct answer to what was asked, will you?

    You said that when faced with conflicting opinions, you keep reading. I presume you have read the material from Adrian and from Henry Morris. Now live up to what you said and read the material from Frank Lambert.

    But for now, since you are unwilling or incapable of answering my questions directly, I am comfortable letting this demonstration of your perfidy carry its own message as it stands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavisBJ View Post
    ...[Y]ou are unwilling or incapable of answering my questions directly...
    Your best example was formed by God (Jer 1:5) and dies (Ge 2:17; Eze 18:4). You cannot get molecules to man evolution.

    "Not even one mutation has been observed that adds a little information to the genome [Ibid., 159–160]..." full text: Is There Really a God?

    By one man, Adam, sin entered the world (Ge 3:6,7; Ro 5:12). Christ was manifested to take away sin (Jn 1:29; 1 Jn 3:5).

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