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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Ernest View Post
    Knight, sod and aCW. I agree...
    Proclaim the gospel boldly (Eph. 6:19). They should be ashamed (Ge 6:5, 6) not you (Ro 1:16). Keep on keepin' on (1 Cor. 9:12).

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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
    Proclaim the gospel boldly (Eph. 6:19). They should be ashamed (Ge 6:5, 6) not you (Ro 1:16). Keep on keepin' on (1 Cor. 9:12).
    Where did he "proclaim the gospel boldly"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Ernest View Post
    On the currently contentious point, Leviticus 20:13 (KJV), 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (KJV). Final answer.
    Please tell me, will NOT doing the things listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 KJV make one righteous?

    1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    And is that not what you implied when you used that passage as a proof text?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    Where did he "proclaim the gospel boldly"?
    The gospel is the Bible from cover to cover. SOD told the truth (Lev. 18:22, 20:13, 1 Kin. 14:24, Rom. 1:24, 26, 27).

    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    "Romans 5:6 KJV For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. Galatians 3:22 KJV But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe." [09 Oct 2011 14:37:48]
    Should teachers use red markers to correct homework? Should kids be allowed to play smear the queer? Do you like the change in Amazing Grace from "saved a wretch" like me to "saved a soul" like me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
    The gospel is the Bible from cover to cover. SOD told the truth (Lev. 18:22, 20:13, 1 Kin. 14:24, Rom. 1:24, 26, 27).
    NOPE! Wrong answer, serpent (2 Corinthians 11:3 KJV). What is the gospel of YOUR salvation? What is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth? Is salvation in doing or believing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    NOPE! Wrong answer, serpent (2 Corinthians 11:3 KJV). What is the gospel of YOUR salvation? What is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth? Is salvation in doing or believing?
    Oh let me answer!!! Salvation is in believing!

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    Is homosexuality a sin to people who practice it, and do not believe it is a sin?

    If you are a believer in the Bible, and you come across people who are thoroughly convinced in themselves that it is not a sin, what do you do?

    If you treat them with absolute love and acceptance and express no judgment or condemnation of their behavior, are they ever going to change? No, you will leave that to God, that's His job, not yours.

    Will you chastise and even condemn those who warn the homosexual that his actions are sin, and that he should repent of them or face judgment someday? Yes, that is your job, and not God's!?1?


    Rather one can do both. The warning must come first. One has to first confront a sinner of the error of his ways, then love them into the kingdom.

    John the Baptist went before Yeshua. He preached a gospel of repentance.............Repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand.

    Yeshua, loved sinners, and died for them. It is not our job to die for homosexuals. Only Christ could do that and make it efficacious.

    It is our job to first point out their sin and warn them of its consequences. Then we can lead them to the cross, in love for their souls. It is a false dichotomy that you can only do one, or the other. The tragedy is doing only one, and not the other.

    One must realize, that in this day and age, and certainly in this country, that homosexuality is not any longer considered a sin, by the majority of people. In fact it has almost been elevated to a sacred rite, a sacrament of the exalted victim class.

    When I am condemned and judged by liberal Christians for denouncing homosexuals in their sin, this is the standard reply.
    Aren't we all sinners, and don't you have sin in your life, and aren't you counting on Yeshua to wash away your sins? Yes, yes, and yes!

    But I admit That I am sinning, and need a covering for my sins, the blood of Yeshua.

    Suppose I were to go before God and say I need that covering for all my sins except, adultery. I do not consider that a sin in this day and age of wife-beating and misoginist men. I simply loved the women that husbands wouldn't.

    You understand God, now forgive me and accept me. Is it your job, as a Christian, to tell me anything different? Or should you just love me and be non-judgmental?

    The way that we treat, and love homosexuals, does not work with any other sin.

    Warn people first, condemn their sin. Then you have done your job. Next love them, that is also our job.


    Here is my warning: Homosexuality has always been a sin, it therefore still is a sin, and it will always be a sin. Beyond that, it is a particularly despicable sin to God Almighty. One that He calls an abomination. There will be no homosexuality in the Kingdom of God, therefore you will be left outside of it. If you love God, then confess your sin and repent of it. If you love homosexuality, more than God, then you are free to live with that choice, but do not expect to be in His Kingdom.

    I would say the same for adultery, only I believe adultery is even worse, and far more damaging.

    Satan has won the culture war concerning homosexuality, those who warn against it are now the stigmatized, the unloving and the unlovable.........that's me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Ernest View Post
    Knight, sod and aCW. I agree.

    Others I refer to the prophet Isaiah 5:20-21 (KJV)

    Fabricating noble motives will not excuse an enabler or a sinner. Fabricating confusing and complicated rationalizations will not excuse an enabler or a sinner. Removing earthly legal prohibitions does not trump God's laws and commandments, nor does such action negate a compelling social interest.

    On the currently contentious point, Leviticus 20:13 (KJV), 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (KJV). Final answer.

    God did not create a screwed-up world into which some of us (as enlightened gods) were sent to correct His "errors."
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    Having known TH since his arrival here, I can say that I have never known him to bear false witness, and to be a man of integrity. When he has set his sights on someone, taking them to task, I am confident that the attention was warranted. For either that target of his rapier wit and discernment has misunderstood TH's position, or is simply unwilling or unable to meet TH at the level of the discourse TH has set out.

    All too often I have witnessed that when one cares not to rise to the same level as one's opponent has set out, finding himself outmatched on so many levels, the typical recourse is to offer nothing more than mocking ridicule and emotional appeals to the crowds as rejoinders. Frankly, we are all guilty of the behavior at times, if we care to examine ourselves, and we should know better than to reward said behavior.

    It is my hope and prayer that when all the backslapping dies down, that in the quiet times of one's day, it will be recognized that TH, a brother in the faith, has been done a disservice by those that would attribute to him what he clearly stands against and/or rightly sees as an issue that would violate the oaths he took as an attorney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    Having known TH since his arrival here, I can say that I have never known him to bear false witness, and to be a man of integrity. When he has set his sights on someone, taking them to task, I am confident that the attention was warranted. For either that target of his rapier wit and discernment has misunderstood TH's position, or is simply unwilling or unable to meet TH at the level of the discourse TH has set out.

    All too often I have witnessed that when one cares not to rise to the same level as one's opponent has set out, finding himself outmatched on so many levels, the typical recourse is to offer nothing more than mocking ridicule and emotional appeals to the crowds as rejoinders. Frankly, we are all guilty of the behavior at times, if we care to examine ourselves, and we should know better than to reward said behavior.
    As usual you seem to be more interested in style points than the heart of the matter. I have never cared how scholarly a person presents their case. To me... the truth is more important.

    It is my hope and prayer that when all the backslapping dies down
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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    [W]ill NOT doing the things listed in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 KJV make one righteous?
    You have no righteousness of your own (Ro 5:17).

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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    [The gospel is the Bible from cover to cover. SOD told the truth (Lev. 18:22, 20:13, 1 Kin. 14:24, Rom. 1:24, 26, 27). "Nope! Wrong answer, serpent (2 Corinthians 11:3 KJV)."
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    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    "What is the gospel of your salvation?"
    Christ died. He is risen. He will come again (Php 1:17,27; Jude 1:3, Ro 3:23, 5:8, 6:23, 10:9, 10:13.).
    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    "What is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth?"
    Believe (Ro 1:16, 2 Ti 1:18).

    Quote Originally Posted by heir View Post
    "Is salvation in doing or believing?"
    Do believe. "Believe in the original language means "to be convinced"..." Full text: Armor of the Lord
    See:

    What to "do"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    As usual you seem to be more interested in style points than the heart of the matter. I have never cared how scholarly a person presents their case. To me... the truth is more important.

    Well... you have to admit, the entire escapade has provided some much needed "buzz" around here.
    Style points don't matter if the truth isn't being said. Lately there has been too much back slapping on the wrong side. SOD needed to be recognized for speaking out the truth even if it made him unpopular.

    We living in a world that is much too PC. Christians would rather try and all get along with perverts instead of calling them out on their sin. Some even go so for to award them a protected status and say 'they were born that way'. We can see the effect it has had on our culture.

    The homosexual lobby and its friends want to keep Christians silent on the sinfulness of their lifestyle.

    aCW, SOD, and Knight, Keep up the truth smacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Ernest View Post
    You assume incorrectly. Were I to do that, I would have replied to you directly.

    "Love one another" does not mean acceptance of what people do without question. Far from it. However, I did wonder about your sudden inference that what the Bible says is an application of "hateful ... etc." to justify hatred. I'm assuming you refer to some unreferenced Bible verses that would trump others. That is a very shaky game to play.

    You flying off the handle and blasting out some emotional argument based on a gross assumption is what's sad.
    Darn hormones! I can't use that as an excuse anymore. Just bad manners on my part. I apologize for assuming and I apologize for flying off the handle. I do not for one minute mean that one ought to accept sinful behavior. I do believe that the way in which one confronts the behavior of another can have either a positive or a negative effect. Name calling and condemnation do not usually have a positive result.
    Oh, and perhaps your assumptions need examining?

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    Quote Originally Posted by serpentdove View Post
    Proclaim the gospel boldly (Eph. 6:19). They should be ashamed (Ge 6:5, 6) not you (Jer 6:15, Ro 1:16). Keep on keepin' on (1 Cor. 9:12).

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