The Wild Wild "West"!
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Jimmy West
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godrulz said:
You need to realize that scripture does not tell us everything. It definately does not even touch the surface concerning the nature and character of God. There are those who will say that the Bible contains everything that we need to know. Does that mean the anything that is not in scripture is un-scriptural?
Jimmy West
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Evee said:
Once saved, always saved is a falacy. A person can loose their salvation by living a sinful lifestyle where they continue sinning without attempting to stop, while knowing that they are sinning. When that happens, they are considered to have voluntarily given up their salvation. An example of that is a homosexual lifestyle.
Sozo said:
The devil can spout correct doctrine. I trust Christ alone for salvation as does Jimmy (I suspect). Just because he words things imprecisely does not mean he does not know Christ necessarily. What happened to burden of proof vs jumping to conclusions based on a sentence?
Semantics is certainly an issue with Mormons who claim to be Christians, but redefine terms.
Jimmy West
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Thank You
Thank You
BTW, Thank You for thinking of me and my salvation. I appreciate your concern and commend you for stepping out for me.
Jimmy
Thank You
BTW, Thank You for thinking of me and my salvation. I appreciate your concern and commend you for stepping out for me.
Jimmy
Sozo
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Jimmy West said:
These verses are addressing an understanding of the things of God revealed to us in the gospel, not new revelations proclaimed by a false teacher like yourself.
I see that you play golf! I will as easily continue to prove you a false teacher on this forum, as I would to humiliate you on the course.
Hole #1 Par 5
Sozo - 3 Eagle
Jimmy- 8 Triple Bogey
You are currently five strokes back! :chuckle:
Jimmy West said:
The Bible is truth (though it also accurately records lies of men and demons). It is not exhaustive truth, but what is revealed about God and His ways is true.
Examples of other things? The Mormons claim revelation that is extra and contrabiblical.
Scripture does not give us scientific or mathematical details. What spiritual things are you referring to? Everything we need to know about God, life, death, eternal life, salvation, etc. is in Scripture, but not everything there is possibly to know about this subject.
There are things not systematically discussed in Scripture that are still true or consistent with biblical principles.
Jimmy West said:
I Cor. 2 contrasts false, pagan philosophy with Christian truth. It is not about hidden, esoteric knowledge beneath the plain sense of Scripture.
I Cor. 3 is about divisions in the church over personalities/leaders. He was saying that they were immature and fleshly. He is not saying there is plain truth and secret truth for the superspiritual.
Sozo
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Jimmy West said:
Point # 2
Here Jimmy proves that he does not believe in salvation by grace through faith. He believes that you are saved by your ability to refrain from sin. He believes in salvation through human effort, not the blood of Jesus.
Hole # 2 Par 3
Sozo - A hole in one!!
Jimmy - Out of bounds - threw his club - disqualified!
Game over!
Sozo :first:
Jimmy West
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Sozo said:
Jimmy West
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Sozo said:
NO! You do not get salvation through human effort, but you keep it through human effort!
Jimmy West
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Sozo said:
You are prooving to me, by this idiocy, that you are just another carnal Christian, who thinks that his knowledge of scripture impresses God. Try acting like you have the true Christian spirit. You are attempting to roast me when you are in the roasting pan.
Sozo said:
OSAS teaching is not a condition of eternal life. Faith in the person and work of Christ is. A case can be made that faith must continue and that it is theoretically possible to apostasize (Heb. 6:4-6).
Having said that, this is a final, defiant, fatal renunciation of Christ and His work, not a struggle or lapse into sin. Clarify, Jimmy. Hyper-Arminianism (saved one minute and not the next) is not an Assembly of God teaching. I John 1:9 shows there is provision for a believer's sin. This is different than falling away or apostasizing completely to the death.
Jimmy West said:
:hammer:
You just walked into his trap. I would distinguish faith that continues (root of salvation) from works that flow out of this (fruit of salvation) subsequent to salvation. We are to yield to the keeping power and grace of the Spirit after salvation, but this does not mean it is human effort or works (Jude 24, 25).
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Sozo said:
If he was our Savior as you think he is, then all would be saved. The act of accepting Jesus as your Lord and Savior, in itself, is a WORK!
Jimmy West said:
John 6:29 the work of God is to have faith. Faith is contrasted with works. It is not a work. Faith is a volitional and intellectual response to truth and is a surrender and trusting in God. Faith is portrayed as a response of man to God (vs Calvinistic gift of God foisted on the elect only). We are not saved by works. Faith or unbelief is not a work or a thing. I would be more precise in your terminology lest you be misunderstood. John 3 also shows faith as a condition (a condition is not a work) of salvation, not works (hear that Mid-Acts dudes who think Jesus taught salvation by works vs faith?).
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