Z Man
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Improperly? I believe you are a pompous person; who are you to judge that the way I present and debate Scriptures are improper? I would understand your point if I was to post Ps 14:1 and argue it proves there is no God. However, I've merely quoted Scriptures (numerous at that) that are more than adequate and very straight forward concerning the topic at hand (most recently, those concerning God and diseases). If we were to debate on whether Jesus had one arm or not, and I presented a verse that says, "Jesus had one arm", I'm willing to bet you'd say I was 'proof-texting' the Scriptures wrongly to manipulate it and conform it to my beliefs. That's how stubborn I truly believe you to be, because I've done the same with verses concerning God and diseases - verses that are really straight forward - yet you always reply that I'm interpreting the Scriptures wrong.godrulz said:
I don't take you seriously anymore Godrulz, because I feel that you don't take the Scriptures seriously.
If I may, I believe you do not understand that God is in complete control without being responsible of committing evil because you are looking at God the wrong way. Killing people, or what we call 'murder', may be wrong and 'evil' for us, but I do not believe we can hold God accountable to the same rules. God did not create the law for Himself; He created it for us. Rules do not apply to God - He can do as He pleases, and the Scriptures unanimously support this! Holding God accountable to follow the same rules He laid down for us is a logical fallacy.
This proves how different of a perspective we both have on the same issue. For instance, you say I post verses about God 'doing evil'. But to me, I post verses of God doing things we may consider evil to prove that God is not liable or guilty for doing them! The Scriptures tell us of a God who has ordained several things we may consider 'wrong', but this only proves He can do what He wishes and not be held accountable.
What I'm trying to say is I may post a verse such as Ex. 4:11 and you may see it and say, "That guy is saying God is evil". But that's not my motives at all! The error begins with our definition of evil. You think it's bad if someone is born blind, deaf, mute, etc., but I don't. Sure, if compared to humans who do not have a disability, it seems that a born blind man may have got shafted, but we shouldn't look at things from our perspective - from what we consider good, such as health, success, comforts, etc. These are things we would all enjoy to have, but God has a different agenda. After converting Paul, God tells Ananias "he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel. [And] I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name's sake." Paul's comfort, health, and success in his personal life was not of dire importance to God. God was going to make Paul suffer a life of servitude for the Gospel's sake.
Thus, whenever I get on this site and start posting what may seem crazy stuff, like God predestines everything, including murders and other crimes we consider evil, I'm not attributing evil to God. I'm merely making the point that He has a greater and better plan in store for all of our lives, and sometimes He must actuate His plan through means that we may not enjoy, such as suffering, death, disease, and so forth.
This is God's creation, and He has every right to do as He sees fit with it. I don't believe God is some sort of huge 'care bear' in the sky who takes our 'physical' interests to heart, or hesitates to act upon His will if it somehow interfers with our 'freedom' and 'comforts'. Call me a Jehovah Witness, or a blaspheming Calvinist, or God-hater, or whatever, but that's what I beleive simply because that's what I see when I read the Scriptures.
God bless.
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