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    Quote Originally Posted by ttruscott View Post
    Proverbs 16:4 The LORD has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom. MADE: never translated created by anyone!

    6466. paal

    Strong's Concordance
    paal: do, make
    Original Word: פָעַל
    Part of Speech: Verb
    Transliteration: paal
    Phonetic Spelling: (paw-al')
    Definition: do, makeNAS Exhaustive Concordance
    Word Origin
    a prim. root
    Definition
    do, make
    NASB Translation
    accomplish (1), act (1), acted (1), carried (1), deal (1), did (2), do (15), doers (2), does (1), does his work (1), doing (1), done (6), made (3), Maker (1), makes (2), performed (2), work (4), workers (7), working (1), works (2), wrought (1).

    It is used to refer to a damned person's creation only by those who have committed themselves to the GOD who creates evil.

    Neither does it make the meaning of the word unconditional to change so that innocents are NOT being damned for no reason... Anyone can sling their eisegetical interpretations of any verse, like Satan quoting the truth to Christ, to avoid being convicted of their blasphemy that the doctrine of unconditional election means that innocents were passed over for salvation, ie, damned, for no reason.

    Rom. 9:22-23

    22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

    23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    Rom. 9:22-23

    22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

    23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory
    Wonderful scripture - horrendous interpretation...sigh.

    Neither fitted nor prepared denotes a CREATION except in the minds of those who worship the god who creates evil.

    FITTED 2675. katartizó
    Strong's Concordance
    katartizó: to complete, prepare
    Definition: to complete, prepare
    Usage: (a) I fit (join) together; met: I compact together, (b) act. and mid: I prepare, perfect, for his (its) full destination or use, bring into its proper condition (whether for the first time, or after a lapse).

    PREPARED: 4282. proetoimazó
    Strong's Concordance
    proetoimazó: to prepare before
    Definition: to prepare before
    Usage: I prepare or appoint beforehand, predestine.
    HELPS Word-studies
    4282 proetoimázō (from 4253 /pró, "beforehand" and 2092 /hétoimos, "ready because prepared") – properly, made ready in advance; hence, "ready, already prepared" (used only in Ro 9:23; Eph 2:10).
    I Champion GOD’s holiness:
    - GOD did not need evil so did not create evil for any reason.
    - All evil is creature-created.

    I Champion Our Free will:
    - All spirits created in HIS image had an equal ability and opportunity to choose either heaven or hell by their free will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    ttrustscott



    For Gods own self and Glory Prov 16:4

    4 [FONT="]The [/FONT][FONT="]Lord[/FONT] hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

    If thats not a good enough reason, take it up with God !
    Wait a second, there. When did God make "the wicked for the day of evil"? When He made Adam?

    Here's what we read in Scripture:

    "And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good."
    We, of course, do not read this:

    "And God saw every thing that he had made [INCLUDING THE WICKED], and, behold, it [INCLUDING THE WICKED] was very good."
    Would God call anything that is very good, wicked?
    Would God call anything that is wicked, very good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7djengo7 View Post
    Wait a second, there. When did God make "the wicked for the day of evil"? When He made Adam?

    Here's what we read in Scripture:



    We, of course, do not read this:



    Would God call anything that is very good, wicked?
    Would God call anything that is wicked, very good?
    Take it up with God! Prov 16:4

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Take it up with God! Prov 16:4

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    Take what up with God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7djengo7 View Post
    Take what up with God?
    You dont know ?
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    You dont know ?
    He would not have asked the question if he knew.
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

    Jim Elliot

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    You dont know ?
    Quit being a troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Matt 3:15-17

    15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

    16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

    17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

    What would you think if I was to say to you, that when God the Father made this declaration regarding His Beloved Son, That it was not to Him merely meant as to a private person, but as He was the Last Adam, as the Head of His Body the Church, and so it means that He is well pleased with all of them in Him, even while they themselves are unregenerate and by nature enemies and children of wrath !

    Thats why when He used the pronoun us here Matt 3:15

    15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

    I think [know] that you are absolutely correct !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    I think [know] that you are absolutely correct !
    Bless you Sister as God has given us fellowship in this marvelous truth . Eph 1:6

    6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
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    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Bless you Sister as God has given us fellowship in this marvelous truth . Eph 1:6

    6 [FONT="]To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.[/FONT]

    A marvelous truth indeed; We are His Beloved !

    Thanking God for your fellowship my Brother !
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7djengo7 View Post
    Wait a second, there.

    Would God call anything that is wicked, very good?
    Well, When everything was pronounced very good were not the satanic already fallen and sequestered in Tartarus? Did not the serpent arrive in the garden fallen BEFORE Adam ate?

    GOOD therefore must refer to NO MORAL VALUE of the people at all just like the sinful elect are called the good (ie, elect) seed when they are still in their sins.

    IF the universe with the earth was created to be a prison planet to keep the evil ones away from the polite society of heaven and as a rehab centre for the redemption of HIS sinful elect, then good easily expresses the idea that the earth and the people in it were GOOD to fulfill HIS plan of sequestering the Satanic and redeeming the sinful elect. Using good without defining it as good for what and equating it only with righteousness is a very real trap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ttruscott View Post
    Well, When everything was pronounced very good were not the satanic already fallen and sequestered in Tartarus?
    no .

    Did not the serpent arrive in the garden fallen BEFORE Adam ate?
    Lucifer was placed in the Garden ,fell when he tempted Eve


    Eze 28:13 You have been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, the ruby, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the turquoise, and the emerald, and gold. The workmanship of your tambourines and of your flutes was prepared in you in the day that you were created.
    Eze 28:14 You were the anointed cherub that covers, and I had put you in the holy height of God where you were; you have walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

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    Prov 16:4 The Lord hath MADE all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
    MADE: 6466 paal
    to do, make
    Definition: do, make
    NAS Exhaustive Concordance: do, make
    NASB Translation
    accomplish (1), act (1), acted (1), carried (1), deal (1), did (2), do (15), doers (2), does (1), does his work (1), doing (1), done (6), made (3), Maker (1), makes (2), performed (2), work (4), workers (7), working (1), works (2), wrought (1).

    No one renders paal to denote a creation - except those who worship the god who creates evil. The choice is to read Prov 16:4 as as they do, or as The Lord hath MADE all things for himself: yea, even the lives of the wicked for the [judgement] day of evil.
    I Champion GOD’s holiness:
    - GOD did not need evil so did not create evil for any reason.
    - All evil is creature-created.

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    - All spirits created in HIS image had an equal ability and opportunity to choose either heaven or hell by their free will.

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