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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    Amen 100 % to this excellent overview and illustration of the Whole World that Christ was the propitiation for 1 John 2:2: That is, a Particular Seed, or Specific People which shall be Given Spiritual Life: The Seed of Abraham / Adam, the Seed of Christ Gal. 3:16, 29 exclusively.

    But the world of the serpent seed has no possibility of reconciliation to God, but were forever cursed by Him Mat. 25:41 !
    Amen Sister !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
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    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

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    Many believe that Adam was the federal Head of the Non Elect, but he wasn't, but of the Elect, those who would come to Faith in Christ, his promised Seed Gen 3:15

    15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her and Adam's her Husbands] seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

    Through their Seed came that portion of mankind that Calls Upon the Name of the Lord, which equates to Faith. Gen 4:25-26

    25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

    26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the Lord.

    Through this seed would come Noah Gen 5:6-32


    Now if God began the New World after the flood with an Elect in Noah, for Noah was given Faith of God's Elect Heb 11:7

    7 By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

    Noah came through the Godly Seed Line Gen 5:1-32, and Noah was about 10 Generations away from Adam, for Enoch was Seven according to Jude 1:14

    14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

    And of course Noah was Three from Enoch, See above ! So again, If God began the New World following the flood with an Elect in Noah, why should we doubt that the World began with an Elect in Adam ? After, Christ the Elect Seed was coming through Adam's Seed according to the Flesh. See Lk 3:23-38



    I believe these things gives us sufficient reason to conclude that Adam and all in Him from the beginning before the fall were the Elect of God !

    Amen Brother !

    Originally Adam was the Federal Head of all God's Elect / Sons of God exclusively: Those who were Created in the Image and Likeness of God and predestinated to be conformed to the Image of His Son Rom. 8:29.
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    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    Amen Brother !

    Originally Adam was the Federal Head of all God's Elect / Sons of God exclusively: Those who were Created in the Image and Likeness of God and predestinated to be conformed to the Image of His Son Rom. 8:29.

    Amen Sister Im grateful to God Hes given us eyes to see this magnificence truth !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Amen Sister Im grateful to God Hes given us eyes to see this magnificence truth !

    I'm Grateful to God right along with you my Brother; a great privilege He's Given Us !
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Rom 5:18

    18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

    All men to condemnation ! Does this speak of God's Elect ? Yes, it most certainly does, God's Elect in Adam did incur Judgment unto condemnation, and btw, I am a firm believer that just as Christ's Headship is restricted to His Body the Church, so did Adam's His Type; Adam's the type, his headship was for the Church, the Body of Christ in their natural flesh and blood lives, which in Adam they did acquire condemnation/damnation and whereas Christ's Headship was for the Church the Body, for their Spiritual Lives and in Him they do acquire Justification of life.

    Now back to the Truth regarding the elect in adam incurring damnation Rom 5:18a, and yes it was a very real condemnation and rightly deserved by them, HOWEVER, that condemnation of theirs, God because of a previous Eternal engagement, known as the Everlasting Covenant, in which the Lord Jesus Christ became a Surety for them, so that the sentence of condemnation they acquired, instead of God charging it upon them, He according to the Covenant arrangement charged their crimes and condemnation to Christ ! And God looked solely unto Him, not them, to satisyfy His Law and Justice, to pay the uttermost farthing.

    And so it left them uncharged for their own self inflicted crimes, and Christ instead. For if their condemnation had not been real, they it would have been no need for Christ's Suretyship and the Cross, No need for the Incarnation and He being made under the Law Gal 4:4-5

    4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,

    5 To redeem them that were under the law
    , that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    Gal 3:13

    13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse [or condemnation] of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

    Now this blessed Truth means that all God's Elect, because of Christ's Eternal Suretyship for them, it means they were Justified from condemnation incurred Rom 5:18a in the Counsel of the Everlasting Covenant before time began !

    TY Brother for this Excellent Teaching on Rom. 5:18 !
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    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    TY Brother for this Excellent Teaching on Rom. 5:18 !
    Bless the God of Heaven that you receive it Sister !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Bless the God of Heaven that you receive it Sister !
    Blessing Him indeed Brother for His Mercy which He has bestowed upon us to receive His Words!
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Again, the definition of remission as in remission of sins Matt 26:28, the word aphesis

    I.
    release from bondage or imprisonment

    II.
    forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty

    Those He died for have a complete absolution from sin and any of its consequences which unbelief is a consequence !

    Sin is pardoned Jer 33:8

    8 And I will cleanse them from all their iniquity, whereby they have sinned against me; and I will pardon all their iniquities, whereby they have sinned, and whereby they have transgressed against me.

    Jer 50:20

    20 In those days, and in that time, saith the Lord, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve.

    That word reserve means remnant, He pardons the remnant according to the Election of Grace, Remember Paul wrote Rom 11:3-5

    3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

    4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

    5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

    It [remission] means that all sin of all those Christ shed His Blood for has bee washed away and put out of God's Sight Heb 1:3

    3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

    3 He is the sole expression of the glory of God [the Light-being, the out-raying or radiance of the divine], and He is the perfect imprint and very image of [Godís] nature, upholding and maintaining and guiding and propelling the universe by His mighty word of power. When He had by offering Himself accomplished our cleansing of sins and riddance of guilt, He sat down at the right hand of the divine Majesty on high,AMP

    There is nothing to punish them for at all !

    It means they are covered and not imputed Ps 32:1-2

    Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered.

    2 Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputeth not iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no guile.

    Rom 4:7-8

    7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

    8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

    Anyone who has forgiveness of sins by Christ's Blood Eph 1:7 no sin can be charged to them, ever !

    All this comes from the remission of sin Matt 26:28, all this is true of everyone Christ died for, even when they are being enemies and ungodly, when they hate and reject God and Christ.

    It was true of Paul when he was saul doing this Acts 8:1-3, the remission of sins is all of Grace and undeserved Eph 1:7

    7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

    Those He died for did not have to repent to receive it, they did not have to believe to receive it, did not have to be water baptized to receive it, did not have to take a step to receive it, they did not have to call upon the name of the Lord to receive it, they did not have to confess their sins for it, absolutely nothing they did or did not do is why they receive it and have it applied to them, Solely by the Blood of Christ shed for them and the Grace of God Matt 26:28; Eph 1:7 and if anyone tell us different its a false witness and gospel !

    AMEN !
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    The reason why I believe infants shall either be received into Glory as full adults if they're Elect, and the non elect shall receive eternal damnation not as infants but adults, its because their Federal heads , whom they were first in and represented by, when that head sinned, was of full age and maturity of mind and heart when they rebelled against their Creator, as for the Elect, Adam was a full mature man, having received the Law / Command from God Gen 2:16-17

    16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

    17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    That was the Covenant men Transgressed Hos 6:7

    But they like men have transgressed the covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me.

    So the elect infants Transgressed in Adam, Men ! Not infant !

    And the non elect sinned in their represenative head the serpent, lucifer, the devil, who had full capacity of mind and will when he acted on their behalf Ezk 28:15

    Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

    I believe God created him with a seed in him as He did Adam, and just as Adam's Transgression was charged to his unborn seed or offspring in him, likewise the serpent had the transgression of his seed, offspring imputed to them, Thats why both parties are said by God to have a seed Gen 3:14-15

    14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

    15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

    Matt 13:38-39

    38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

    39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

    So inclusion, the infants inherit Glory or Condemnation as based on a Mature Personage that represented them ! So in the day of Judgment it will be Just for God to Judge and mete out their reward according to Their head and they will be forwarded to a age to understand that !

    Amen Brother, no babies in Heaven or Hell !
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    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Unconditional election means unconditional non-election, people being damned in their innocence.

    1 Timothy 5:21 I charge thee before GOD and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the ELECT angels. Since there are elect angels we can assume that the demonic angels were passed over for election or not considered for election. Angels do not presumably have any racial solidarity, ie, they all are holy or sinful by their own choice, not by anyone else's choice. So now we have to answer the question: were some elected before or after the fall of the Satanic rebellion?

    IF they were elected / chosen before the fall then there is no stated reason for the non-election of the others. Unconditional, unmerited, election then also means unconditional unmerited non-election, ie, for no lack of merit or sinful condition at all some were passed over for salvation and NOT chosen to be saved if they should ever sin.

    What can we make of such a supposition? Can we say it is loving? Righteous? Just? The best we can say is HE is sovereign and if HE chose this way then who are you to argue, which is not a real answer at all. Why teach us HE is loving, righteous and just if it has no meaning in the biggest question in their existence: Why were some passed over for election!!!

    [ASIDE: It is entirely possible that the decision for some to receive unconditional unmerited election and others to receive unmerited rejection for election with no indication that this decision was loving, righteous or just could have precipitated the Satanic war in heaven when the non-elect were subject to a decision that was NOT loving, righteous or just so they committed themselves to war, putting their faith in the belief that YHWH was a false god and a liar, unworthy of being their GOD.]


    This is what unconditional implies. It implies 'no reason', not just an 'unknown reason' because if there was a reason there would be merit to being on the side of the reason. Unconditional election means everyone was just as acceptable for election as everyone but some did not receive it....that is what 'without merit' also means! That does NOT sound like my GOD at all. IF they were passed over for a evil they did then there is a righteous reason to their being passed over and to the election of those that were not passed over but who got the promise of election because they did not do that evil!!

    IF election was a response to the Satanic rebellion to reward those angels who did not rebel and to pass over those angels who did rebel and condemn them on the spot, then election by merit makes sense. Their rebellion to the command to put their faith in the Son and to love one another which they heard in the beginning* is then the reason they were passed over to be HIS Bride. The choice by some to accept HIM as their GOD and to put their faith in in HIS Son was then the reason they were elected based upon the merit of this choice to obey the commandment.

    *1 John 3:11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. I believe that John is referring to the loving purpose GOD has for each of us: 1 John 3:23 And this is His commandment, That we should believe on the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

    Thus we probably have a precedent in the angels for election being based upon merit and proper free will decisions being the condition of being elected. And since unconditional election is apparently false in the first people elected, I strongly suggest that it is also wrongly used for sinful men who were also elected in the beginning before the foundation of the world, Ephesians 1:4.
    I Champion GODís holiness:
    - GOD did not need evil so did not create evil for any reason.
    - All evil is creature-created.

    I Champion Our Free will:
    - All spirits created in HIS image had an equal ability and opportunity to choose either heaven or hell by their free will.

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    IF they were elected / chosen before the fall then there is no stated reason for the non-election of the others.
    For Gods own self and Glory Prov 16:4

    4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

    If thats not a good enough reason, take it up with God !
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    ttrustscott



    For Gods own self and Glory Prov 16:4

    4 [FONT="]The [/FONT][FONT="]Lord[/FONT] hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

    If thats not a good enough reason, take it up with God !

    Exactly !

    Job 21:30 That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.

    Rom. 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

    2 Thes. 1:8-9

    8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

    9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    Exactly !

    Job 21:30 That the wicked is reserved to the day of destruction? they shall be brought forth to the day of wrath.

    Rom. 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

    2 Thes. 1:8-9

    8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

    9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
    Amen Sister !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Jn 10:26

    26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

    The reason why this is True is because Christ's died for His Sheep, this is undeniable Jn 10:11,15

    11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

    15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

    Notice Vs 11 again The good Shepherd giveth His Life for the Sheep ! Thats the World He means here Jn 6:33

    For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

    And by His death He completely vanquished and destroyed death and he that hath power of death, that is the devil Heb 2:14

    14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death[Giving His Life for the Sheep] he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

    That word destroy katargeō means:

    I.
    to render idle, unemployed, inactivate, inoperative
    A.
    to cause a person or thing to have no further efficiency

    B.
    to deprive of force, influence, power


    II.
    to cause to cease, put an end to, do away with, annul, abolish

    So His death rendered the devil inactive, inoperative towards them He died for, namely His Sheep Jn 10:11,15 !

    This is important because to believe not and be saved is by the activity and influence of the devil as Per Jesus own words here Lk 8:12

    12 Those by the way side are they that hear;[B] then cometh the devil,[/B] and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

    Now whose activity is spoken of here that taketh away the word out of their hearts ?

    Its the devil's activity !

    But now since Christ died for His Sheep, and the devils power towards them has been rendered inoperative, he has been rendered inactive towards them, his power over them vanquished, they believe and be saved when the Word is preached to them !

    However, if one for whom He died does not eventually believe and be saved, then the devils power over them prevailed notwithstanding and in spite of Christ's death for them.

    So for those who teach that its even possible for one that Christ died for can end up like one of these Jn 8:24

    24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

    If anyone teaches that one for whom Christ died can finally die in unbelief and in their sins, we must lablel them antichrist, for they are giving the devil the victory over Christ's Death, thats antichrist full blown !

    Thats why Jn 3:16 reads the way it does, its proof that Christ's death was to the end that it would result in those believing on Christ, His death having destroyed the devils power over them, and they believe and be saved, believing is an evidence of having been saved by Christ's death !

    And so if a person or persons believe not, its because they were not of His Sheep Jn 10:26

    26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

    And off to hell they shall go Matt 7:23

    23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Amen Brother !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    Exactly !
    Proverbs 16:4 The LORD has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom. MADE: never translated created by anyone!

    6466. paal

    Strong's Concordance
    paal: do, make
    Original Word: פָעַל
    Part of Speech: Verb
    Transliteration: paal
    Phonetic Spelling: (paw-al')
    Definition: do, makeNAS Exhaustive Concordance
    Word Origin
    a prim. root
    Definition
    do, make
    NASB Translation
    accomplish (1), act (1), acted (1), carried (1), deal (1), did (2), do (15), doers (2), does (1), does his work (1), doing (1), done (6), made (3), Maker (1), makes (2), performed (2), work (4), workers (7), working (1), works (2), wrought (1).

    It is used to refer to a damned person's creation only by those who have committed themselves to the GOD who creates evil.

    Neither does it make the meaning of the word unconditional to change so that innocents are NOT being damned for no reason... Anyone can sling their eisegetical interpretations of any verse, like Satan quoting the truth to Christ, to avoid being convicted of their blasphemy that the doctrine of unconditional election means that innocents were passed over for salvation, ie, damned, for no reason.
    I Champion GODís holiness:
    - GOD did not need evil so did not create evil for any reason.
    - All evil is creature-created.

    I Champion Our Free will:
    - All spirits created in HIS image had an equal ability and opportunity to choose either heaven or hell by their free will.

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