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    The Bible Proves that God is IN TIME

    The Bible Proves that God is IN TIME

    This is the show from Tuesday May 31st, 2011.

    SUMMARY

    * A Biblical PROOF that GOD IS IN TIME and Experiences Change in Sequence: This excerpt is from Proof from the Bible that God is In Time, an article here at KGOV.com in Bob's Writings:

    In the "eternal state" before the foundation of the world God the Son was not also the SON OF MAN; then He "became" flesh as "the Son of Man" and so the Son remains eternally "the Man Jesus Christ." 1 Tim 2:5

    Here is a biblical PROOF that GOD IS IN TIME and experiences change in sequence:

    In the "eternal state" before the foundation of the world God the Son was not also the SON OF MAN; then He "became" flesh as "the Son of Man" and so the Son remains eternally "the Man Jesus Christ" (1 Tim 2:5).

    Many theologians reject this proof that God is in time. Why? They claim that their historical-grammatical hermeneutic, that is, their method of interpretation, proves that God is not in time. So let's look at the relationship of God and time.

    When Reading "In the Greek" about God and Time, We See that God is:

    - timeless,
    - in an eternal now,
    - not was nor will be but is, and
    - has no past
    - nor no future.

    Of course NOT ONE of these phrases are in the Bible. They're from Plato.

    By Greek there, I meant pagan Greek philosophy (and pagan Hinduism, etc.). In contrast, the Bible's Hebrew and Greek terms are TOTALLY different. They all speak of God existing through unending duration and everlasting amounts of time. The above terms are foreign to the student of God's Word, whereas the Bible's terms are all so very familiar from our Scripture reading. Even though typically translated by those who claim that God is outside of time, yet still, the Bible's many descriptions present God as existing in a never-ending sequence of time.

    When Reading Your Bible about God and Time, We See that God is:

    - Everlasting - From of old - Before ever He had formed the earth - The Ancient of Days - Before the world was - From before the ages of the ages - From ancient times - He continues forever - Immortal - Remains forever - Forever and ever - God’s years - God who is - Alive forevermore - Who was - Who is to come - Always lives - Forever - In the age to come - Continually - God’s years never end - From everlasting to everlasting - From that time forward, even forever - And of His kingdom there will be no end.

    None of these biblical descriptions means "timeless." All of it is the opposite of no past and no future. Open Theism claims that the future is open (and not settled) because God is free and eternally creative and will always have new thoughts. The Settled View claims that ALL scripture about God and time is a FIGURE OF SPEECH. But it takes Plato literally. Why? more...

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    Some people need to look up the meaning of longsuffering.
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    It is very late at night for me right now and I just discovered this. I look forward to listening to this tomorrow.

    I don't believe that time is a dimension in the way most people do. You can't travel in time nor does the speed of time change in relationship to gravity. Time is something that exists from moment to moment. It is just a sequence of events. And yes God does exist within a time frame. His activities in the Bible follow a time sequence. I anticipate I will will agree with this program and look forward to listening to it when I am done with my shopping tomorrow.

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    God is slow to anger.
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    For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

    Ephesians 5

    11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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    It is mind boggling how Greek paganism has colored the thinking of the church.

    If God is immutable as Plato states--He's a computer - He can't make anything new. The concept is blasphemous.

    I read the debate between you and Larry Bray. The Settled View gets stranger the more I study it.

    Notes on Nathaniel's call--Time isn't a created thing--it is a sequence as I said in my previous post.

    Good show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inzl Kett View Post
    It is mind boggling how Greek paganism has colored the thinking of the church.

    If God is immutable as Plato states--He's a computer - He can't make anything new. The concept is blasphemous.

    I read the debate between you and Larry Bray. The Settled View gets stranger the more I study it.

    Notes on Nathaniel's call--Time isn't is created thing--it is sequence as I said in my previous post.

    Good show.
    I don't think people realize, though, how their view has been influenced. It's been ingrained over a long period of time and it's going to take a very long time to reverse that.

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