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    Quote Originally Posted by jerzy View Post
    So you admit that the monk perverted God's word yet you use his perversion to support your theology>
    Dude you are DENSE.
    Do you comprehend the concept of sarcasm?
    NO...I DONT agree that Gods word was perverted by ANYONE.
    That would make God a feeble wimp if He couldnt protect His word.


    Thank you for your honesty on this one, pal.
    No....thank YOU for exposing your complete inability with the English language.

    I told you about the Trinitarian forgery of Isa 9:6, Jn 1:1 and Jn 20:28.

    Just waiting for you to come up with few other obvious Trinitarian forgeries.
    Sorry gent, the scripture supports the trinity concept.

    The Trinity
    Wm Tipton

    Assertions/Conclusions of this Article
    To show that Jesus IS God and to show that the Holy Spirit IS God and therefore the Trinity teaching is scriptural truth.

    Supporting Evidence

    1.0
    Is Jesus God ?

    John shows us who Jesus is; the Word who is with God and is God.
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
    The same was in the beginning with God.

    All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

    And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

    John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
    For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
    (Joh 1 KJV)

    Isaiah shows us exactly who Jesus is.

    Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
    And Thomas answered and said to Him, My Lord and my God!
    (Joh 20:28 MKJV)

    Yet Jesus is distinct from the Father...
    -The Father knows what the Son does not;
    But concerning that day and the hour, no one knows, not the angels, those in Heaven, nor the Son, except the Father.
    (Mark 13:32 LITV)
    But the Father has given to the Son to judge;
    For the Father judges no one, but He has given all judgment to the Son,
    (Joh 5:22)
    ...showing clear distinction between them.

    And there is distinction between the Son and the Spirit;
    And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven.
    (Luk 12:10)

    "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men. And whoever says a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age, or in the coming one.
    (Mat 12:31-32)
    Whomever blasphemes the Son of Man will be forgiven, but the one who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will NOT be forgiven.
    This proves conclusively that there IS some distinction.


    The pre-existence of Jesus

    And now, O Father, glorify Me alongside Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
    (Joh 17:5 EMTV)

    What then if you should see the Son of Man ascending where He was before?
    (Joh 6:62 EMTV)

    And no one has gone up into heaven except He who came down out of heaven, the Son of Man, who is in heaven.
    (Joh 3:13 EMTV)

    I came forth from the Father and I have come into the world. Again, I am leaving the world and I am going to the Father."
    (Joh 16:28 EMTV)


    1.5
    For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;
    (Colossians 2:9 EMTV)



    Godhead
    G2320
    θεότης
    theotēs
    Thayer Definition:
    1) deity
    1a) the state of being God, Godhead


    G2320
    θεότης
    theotēs
    theh-ot'-ace
    From G2316; divinity (abstractly): - godhead.
    REGARDLESS of how the word theotes was RENDERED, its MEANING and INTENT is 'divinity'...ie Jesus Christ is DIVINE...ie a DEITY....ie GOD.
    If Jesus IS God yet Jesus does NOT KNOW the day and hour of His return but ONLY the Father does (aka GOD) then there MUST BE some DISTINCTION between them...even tho BOTH ARE God.


    2.0
    Is the Holy Spirit 'God' ?

    Scripture shows that the Spirit of GOD came down upon Christ...
    And having been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming upon Him.
    (Mat 3:16 EMTV)
    And Luke shows that this IS the Holy Spirit.
    and the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came out of heaven, saying, "You are My beloved Son; in You I have found delight."
    (Luk 3:22 EMTV)
    Thus the evidence shows that the 'Spirit of God' and the 'Holy Spirit' are one and the same.

    3.0
    And here we tie it all together.
    And having been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming upon Him. And behold, a voice came out of the heavens, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I have found delight."
    (Matthew 3:16-17 EMTV)
    1. Jesus, the Son who is called 'Mighty God' in Isaiah.
    2. The Spirit descending in the form of a dove, who is the Spirit OF God.
    3. The Father speaking from heaven, obvious enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -FoC- View Post
    Ive posted a few passages, chap. That you are unable to read and comprehend them is inconsequential.
    Fact remains fact even if it is ignored or rejected.

    Someone here certainly does.
    I submit you find a mirror.
    I understand that you might have been unaware of the monk's mistake and have gone way too far.

    It takes a man to say sorry, I was wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerzy View Post
    I understand that you might have been unaware of the monk's mistake and have gone way too far.
    what Im aware of is that your god is powerless against mere monks, apparently.
    It takes a man to say sorry, I was wrong.
    See, you DO comprehend sarcasm
    So I can only conclude that you are being intentionally obtuse.
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    Well, this was fun and all but I have things to do today.
    Y'all have a nice day (except for you Knight)

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    Quote Originally Posted by -FoC- View Post
    My theology in line with Gods HARMONIZED word. I dont pit one verse against another or claim that God is too much of a wimp against monks to be able to preserve His word as heretics do.

    And Thomas answered and said to Him, My Lord and my God!
    (Joh 20:28 MKJV
    Well, all you have shown so far in support of your theology was the monk's mistake and Thomas' supposed nullification of all the scriptures in one verse.

    In vain I have asked you what you find in Jn 20:28 warranting rendition of the multiple meaning theos as God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerzy View Post
    Have you ever been able to support any of your clearly pagan flavoured "views" with scriptures or just keep mumbling baloneys?
    You have been given verses, but you twist them or cast doubt on their reliability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    This thread is specifically for triune believers. No other need or should post here.

    I'm personally boycotting these cultists threads against our view. I have found none of them are here to learn a thing and they certainly don't make a cogent or compelling presentation. Its a waste of bandwidth and time from my experience. This thread is for posting material to help us on our way.
    Hi Lon,

    Are you still with us? I am sorry to see what has happened to your thread and your noble efforts to discuss the Trinity apart from arguments.

    In the spirit of your OP, I will share my favorite Scriptures that reveal, without a doubt, the Holy Trinity of God.

    Jesus Christ was raised from death to life by the Father:

    “Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead.” Galatians 1:1

    “Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.” Romans 6:4


    Jesus Christ was raised from death to life by the power of the Holy Spirit:

    “But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.” Romans 8:11

    Jesus Christ, the Son of God, raised Himself from death to life:

    “Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, 'Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?' But He spake of the temple of His body. When therefore He was risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.” John 2:19-22


    Thus, Holy Scripture teaches that all three Persons of the Triune God raised Jesus Christ from the dead, at the same time attributing this resurrection power to the One True GOD:

    Acts 2:24, 32; 3:15, 26; 4:10; 10:40; 13:23, 30, 33, 37; Romans 10:9; I Corinthians 6:14; Colossians 2:12; I Peter 1:21.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -FoC- View Post
    Dude you are DENSE.
    Do you comprehend the concept of sarcasm?
    Well, one doesn't play games with God.

    NO...I DONT agree that Gods word was perverted by ANYONE.
    That would make God a feeble wimp if He couldnt protect His word.
    Are you saying that neither Jews no Christians have been guilty of perverting God's word?

    No....thank YOU for exposing your complete inability with the English language.
    I don't play games with God and wouldn't imagine anyone sane would do that.

    Sorry gent, the scripture supports the trinity concept.
    Well said, pal.

    It is a man made concept.

    Alas.

    The scriptures clearly disallows such concept:

    Isa 11:1-3, 42:1+6, Eze 34:23-24, Mic 5:2, Mt 6:9, 11:25, Jn 6:23, 6:44-45, 6:65, 14:6, 14:10, 17:3, 20:17, 20:31, Ac 2:22, 2:36, 3:21, 10:36, 17:31, Ro 1:7, 1Cor 1:3, 8:6, 2Co 1:2, 5:18+21, Eph 1:3, 2:18, Ga 1:1, 1:3, Col 1:1-3, 1:12-13, Php 1:2, 1Th 1:1-3, 2Th 1:1-2, 1Ti 1:1-2, 2:5, 2Ti 1:1-2, Ti 1:4, Phm 1:3-4, Heb 1:1-2, Jam 1:1, 1Pe 1:2-3, 2Pe 1:2, 1Jn 1:2-3, 2Jn 1:3, Jud 1:1, Re 1:1.

    Too bad you reject the fundamental TRUTH for the monk's mistake and few obvious Trinitarian forgeries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -FoC- View Post
    what Im aware of is that your god is powerless against mere monks, apparently.
    My Father the only true God is Almighty.

    See, you DO comprehend sarcasm
    So I can only conclude that you are being intentionally obtuse.
    You took this out of context, pal.

    I didn't refer to myself although I said sorry few times on this forum when I was guilty.

    You, however, know that you peddle a flimsy and crooked theology hanged on a thin string of monk's mistake and few obvious Trinitarian fraudulent rendering of the vulnerable texts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by godrulz View Post
    You have been given verses, but you twist them or cast doubt on their reliability.
    Can you show which of these verses I have ever twisted?

    Isa 11:1-3, 42:1+6, Eze 34:23-24, Mic 5:2, Mt 6:9, 11:25, Jn 6:23, 6:44-45, 6:65, 14:6, 14:10, 17:3, 20:17, 20:31, Ac 2:22, 2:36, 3:21, 10:36, 17:31, Ro 1:7, 1Cor 1:3, 8:6, 2Co 1:2, 5:18+21, Eph 1:3, 2:18, Ga 1:1, 1:3, Col 1:1-3, 1:12-13, Php 1:2, 1Th 1:1-3, 2Th 1:1-2, 1Ti 1:1-2, 2:5, 2Ti 1:1-2, Ti 1:4, Phm 1:3-4, Heb 1:1-2, Jam 1:1, 1Pe 1:2-3, 2Pe 1:2, 1Jn 1:2-3, 2Jn 1:3, Jud 1:1, Re 1:1.

    Have you ever supported your "views" with scriptures?

    Are you not aware that Jn 1:1 is a monk's mistake?

    Are you not aware that 1Jn 5:7-8 is a dirty trinitarian addition?

    Should I follow mentioning what you know already beyond any doubt?

    So what are you coming up with, godrulz?

    Just to make mockery of yourself over and over again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    Jesus Christ was raised from death to life by the power of the Holy Spirit:
    Hi Nang.

    There are few serious problems with your assumptions.

    The first one is that you suggest the Holy Spirit is God not the Spirit of God. That clearly precludes your assumption.

    “But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.” Romans 8:11
    Here you point out correctly that the Spirit of Him meaning the Father not God the Spirit.

    Jesus Christ, the Son of God, raised Himself from death to life:
    Jesus has never said that he would raise himself from dead.

    “Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, 'Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?' But He spake of the temple of His body. When therefore He was risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.” John 2:19-22
    As you have clearly pointed out Jesus referred to the OT temple which was about to be replaced by his resurrected body and the body of his followers as is clearly stated in 1Co 3:16, 6:16, 2Co 6:16

    Thus, Holy Scripture teaches that all three Persons of the Triune God raised Jesus Christ from the dead, at the same time attributing this resurrection power to the One True GOD:
    You didn’t show that the Holy Spirit is a person but that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God not God the Spirit.

    You need to note that you make up words against clear warning of God against.

    You say that the Spirit of God is a person, is God.

    You might be correct if you were saying that the Spirit of God is His power or His universal energy making it an attribute of God not a separate personage.

    A similar analogy is made in Jn 1:1 whereby God sends His word from His mouth and commands things to become Isa 55:11, Ps 33:6+9, He 11:3 and so on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    Hi Lon,

    Are you still with us? I am sorry to see what has happened to your thread and your noble efforts to discuss the Trinity apart from arguments.

    In the spirit of your OP, I will share my favorite Scriptures that reveal, without a doubt, the Holy Trinity of God.

    Nang
    Thank you very much Nang. I suspected the anti-trinitarians couldn't resist hijacking a thread where they were asked not to attend. It confirms contentious natures, as if the 40+ threads they've started on the matter weren't enough.

    This thread was not started for 'continuing' the debate nor rabbit trailing on the gifts of the Spirit. Such also confirms issues of self-control (Galations 5:22-23).

    We serve an incredible God who will define Himself as He sees fit.
    Nobody can instruct the mind of God, but be instructed by Him as your quotes so adequately present. Thank you again and blessings in Him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by godrulz View Post
    Paul was not in the Body of Christ?! Have you finally given up MAD? Good for you. There are probably men of God that you quote and admire who speak in tongues. Good thing you are not Judge Jesus (being judge judy does not count, godplayer).

    The charismatic work of the Spirit was evidenced in the OT, in the life and ministry of Jesus, in the early church, yet you think it/He is irrelevant for the Church Age?! Talk about a false teacher.

    There is no exegetical basis for cessationism (nor KJV-only, nor MAD).

    Why has it been so quiet on TOL? It has got boring. The only thing happening in the anti-trinitarians.

    I see you weren't raptured either. I guess we did not do enough good works?

    Rather than refute my logic, Nick M. says I am going to hell (presumably for rejecting MAD, but not for rejecting Jesus/Paul). Nick is a sectarian cultist on this non-salvific issue. Many godly believers speak in tongues today, just as Paul exhorted under the inspiration of the Spirit. If one is a Hindu or Satanic tongues speaker, that would be a different issue because it would be a demonic counterfeit and rejection of Christ.

    I Cor. 12-14 is Body/Church truth, yet MAD even rejects its own Pauline truths to hyper disp a hyper disp view that is not biblical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lon View Post
    Proverbs 19:13b a contentious person is like a constant dripping.

    Thank you very much Nang. I suspected the anti-trinitarians couldn't resist hijacking a thread where they were asked not to attend. It confirms contentious natures, as if the 40+ threads they've started on the matter weren't enough.

    This thread was not started for 'continuing' the debate nor rabbit trailing on the gifts of the Spirit. Such also confirms issues of self-control (Galations 5:22-23).

    We serve an incredible God who will define Himself as He sees fit.
    Nobody can instruct the mind of God, but be instructed by Him as your quotes so adequately present. Thank you again and blessings in Him.
    Nobody can reject hundreds of fool proof texts and replace them by a crocked theology.

    We are sent here by God to testify about the atrocities man had to embark upon in the past and is eager to even disallow the true worshippers of the Father the only true God to quote from the Trinitarian Bibles today because they need to peddle the crocked theology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by godrulz View Post
    Rather than refute my logic, Nick M. says I am going to hell (presumably for rejecting MAD, but not for rejecting Jesus/Paul). Nick is a sectarian cultist on this non-salvific issue. Many godly believers speak in tongues today, just as Paul exhorted under the inspiration of the Spirit. If one is a Hindu or Satanic tongues speaker, that would be a different issue because it would be a demonic counterfeit and rejection of Christ.

    I Cor. 12-14 is Body/Church truth, yet MAD even rejects its own Pauline truths to hyper disp a hyper disp view that is not biblical.
    The Trinitarian tongue speaking gurus incited the Trinitarian tongue speaking flowerers to annihilate one another by millions.

    The tongue speaking today is most of the time another fraud and nobody may claim that speaking in tongues makes him credible.

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