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    Quote Originally Posted by Elia View Post
    Bs'd

    I don't accept Luke as being a non-Jew.
    Well there are scholars on both sides of that issue and I have seen reasonable sounding points from both sides though the best arguments I have read have been for him being a gentile which is the generally accepted view of church history (something I love to study, I am a history nut). May I ask your particular reasons?


    I like it rough.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EMETH View Post
    I may bother to go through it in detail at a later time when I have time to make a project of doing research of my own. Right now though I have other things on my plate. By the way you may want to do a little correcting on your introduction since it gets a very basic fact about the NT wrong in the first & second sentence. Two books of the NT were written by Luke who is generally accepted to have been a gentile. *I know it's not really a big detail in the scheme of things*

    P.S. I also want to welcome you to TOL but I hope you have a thick skin. If you hang around here for long your going to need it. The debate here can get a little rough.


    What debate / Argument? -- I haven't found anyone with the brass to argue anything but their own doctrine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letsargue View Post
    I haven't found anyone with the brass to argue anything but their own doctrine.

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    Isn't that what you do, Paul?
    Funny how threads morph.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Letsargue View Post
    What debate / Argument? -- I haven't found anyone with the brass to argue anything but their own doctrine.

    Paul -- 012411
    I have witnessed more than a few heated debates/arguments on TOL. I even have been involved in a couple though they usually cooled down because I don't (normally) run hot for long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMETH View Post
    Well there are scholars on both sides of that issue and I have seen reasonable sounding points from both sides though the best arguments I have read have been for him being a gentile which is the generally accepted view of church history (something I love to study, I am a history nut). May I ask your particular reasons?
    Bs'd

    If I accept him as a non-Jew I'll have to change my home page.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elia View Post
    Bs'd

    If I accept him as a non-Jew I'll have to change my home page.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chickenman View Post
    Hmmm...
    So in summary: Elia says it's so; Elia wouldn't make it up; So we need to believe Elia.

    I never thought about it that way. Verrrrrry compelling stuff you got there, Elia.
    Hmmm...
    So in summary: you say the Bible says it's the word of god; the writers of the Bible wouldn't make it up; so we need to believe the Bible.

    I never thought about it that way. Verrrrrry compelling stuff you got there, chickman.

    "The more scientifically literate, intellectually honest and objectively skeptical a person is, the more likely they are to disbelieve in anything supernatural, including god."

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    Actually, I didn't say that, Hunter. But I'm glad you gave yourself a good laugh.

    And it's chickENman. I haven't been chickman for 20 years.
    Funny how threads morph.


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    People like Elia want some OLD RABBI with a long beard to be the HUMAN Messiah and yet that goes against the Torah on worshipping anyone else
    but God.

    Elia needs to study his Torah and GROW UP .
    GOD HAS PROMISED US IMMORTALITY

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    Quote Originally Posted by OMEGA View Post
    People like Elia want some OLD RABBI with a long beard to be the HUMAN Messiah and yet that goes against the Torah on worshipping anyone else
    but God.

    Elia needs to study his Torah and GROW UP .
    Bs'd

    Yes the messiah will be totally human, and no, we are not going to worship him. The only one that we worship is the one and only God Y-H-W-H who is one.

    There is no indication whatsoever in the Tanach that the messiah is going to be divine or God himself.

    It are the Christians who are the idol worshipers, because they do worship somebody else then Y-H-W-H, namely JC.


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    Last edited by Elia; January 24th, 2011 at 03:32 PM.

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    Exo 25:8 And let them make me a sanctuary, that I may dwell in their midst.
    Exo 29:45 I will dwell among the people of Israel and will be their God.
    Exo 29:46 And they shall know that I am the LORD their God, who brought them out of the land of Egypt that I might dwell among them. I am the LORD their God.


    Was GOD speaking allegorically or literally, when He said that He would dwell among the people of Israel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chickenman View Post
    Actually, I didn't say that, Hunter.
    . . . not in exactly those words, no. It's the same difference weather you wish to admit it or not . . .
    "The more scientifically literate, intellectually honest and objectively skeptical a person is, the more likely they are to disbelieve in anything supernatural, including god."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Hunter View Post
    . . . not in exactly those words, no. It's the same difference weather you wish to admit it or not . . .
    Well...I certainly do believe the Bible is the word of God. But I've never told anyone they should believe that just because I say so. I've never even suggested anything like that. Sounds like you've got a [pretty dull] axe to grind, Hunter. Not sure why you chose me, out of the blue, to do so. But...whatever. Have fun with it.
    Funny how threads morph.


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    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    Exo 25:8 And let them make me a sanctuary, that I may dwell in their midst.
    Exo 29:45 I will dwell among the people of Israel and will be their God.
    Exo 29:46 And they shall know that I am the LORD their God, who brought them out of the land of Egypt that I might dwell among them. I am the LORD their God.


    Was GOD speaking allegorically or literally, when He said that He would dwell among the people of Israel?
    Bs'd

    Let's first get the verses straight:

    Exo 25:8 And let them make me a sanctuary, that I may dwell in their midst.
    Exo 29:45 I will dwell among the people of Israel and will be their God.
    Exo 29:46 And they shall know that I am Y-H-W-H their God, who brought them out of the land of Egypt that I might dwell among them. I am Y-H-W-H their God.


    And about God dwelling in the sanctuary:

    "But will God really dwell on earth with humans? The heavens, even the highest heavens, cannot contain you. How much less this temple I have built!" 2 Chron 6:18


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    Welcome to TOL.

    Shalom,

    Jacob

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