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    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    What messianic promises and scriptures revealed in the article are false then and DO NOT apply to the Jewish Messiah? Then show when and where Jesus fulfilled any of those requirements. The glaring problem is still there, unless you can prove Jesus fulfilled them which he DID NOT. You can then fall back to plan B measure and say with many others,..."oh, hes coming back again to fulfill at that", which is a statement of futuristic faith. It is a mere belief. Is this your position, the he will come back and fulfill all the prophesies and requirements to prove his Messiahood, IF/WHEN he returns? Otherwise, the big fat ZERO on his score card is the big while elephant in the room. You could of course just spiritualize it all, and enjoy the inner Christ within, as your heaven, and promise of immortality. You do have many options to explore and consider
    Shalom.

    You should look at the prophecies that Jesus did fulfill and consider if what you are looking at is prophecies to be fulfilled by Jesus, whether He did or not.

    Shalom.

    Jacob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilo View Post

    There oughtn't be any interpretation involved, but merely reading what 1st century Judah believed at that time. Of course everything since then is post-Resurrection, so only what was believed before AD 33 is valid. And among other things, Judah believed the Messiah would be born of a Virgin, in Bethlehem.
    The Virgin Birth has many problems, even beyond the translation issue of Is. 7:14, we've treated this in other threads,....there is no proof the Messiah NEEDS to be virgin-born, since a Messiah can still fulfill his mission as God's Anointed Agent, without such supernatural origins.

    Concerning the so called 'messianic prophecy' in Micah 5:1-2, Uri Yosef also addressed its proper translation here

    I don't see any evidence that 'Judah' (or whoever) believed the messiah would be born of a virgin, neither necessarily in the town of 'Bethelehem', since the passage in Micah points to 'David' whose family lineage originates from 'Bethelehem' of Judea, since the Messiah comes forth from the lineage of David, the son of Jesse. The above pdf goes clearly into this, and more concerning the right translation and best possible interpretations of the original Hebrew text.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    The Virgin Birth has many problems, even beyond the translation issue of Is. 7:14, we've treated this in other threads,....there is no proof the Messiah NEEDS to be virgin-born, since a Messiah can still fulfill his mission as God's Anointed Agent, without such supernatural origins.

    Concerning the so called 'messianic prophecy' in Micah 5:1-2, Uri Yosef also addressed its proper translation here

    I don't see any evidence that 'Judah' (or whoever) believed the messiah would be born of a virgin, neither necessarily in the town of 'Bethelehem', since the passage in Micah points to 'David' whose family lineage originates from 'Bethelehem' of Judea, since the Messiah comes forth from the lineage of David, the son of Jesse. The above pdf goes clearly into this, and more concerning the right translation and best possible interpretations of the original Hebrew text.
    It doesn't matter what anybody thinks today about the interpretation, because it's done in the Church age, so it is not unbiased, and cannot be unbiased. Jews need to trust their ancestors who lived at the time of Christ, that what they believed then about the Messiah, is the only interpretation that matters, and much of that interpretation that the Jewish ancestors held, is recorded for us quite neatly and cleanly in the various books of the New Testament. They believed that He would be born to the Virgin, and that He would be born in Bethlehem, just as King Herod learned when he inquired of the best experts of the Jewish faith at the time, when Herod was looking for the Christ Child, just as it is neatly and cleanly recorded in the New Testament.
    HE IS RISEN. Matthew 28:6 (KJV) Mark 16:6 (KJV) Luke 24:6 (KJV)

    487 . . . the Catholic faith . . . in Christ.

    "...things happen .. and you see the results in the fruits of the happening." Lahey

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