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    Quote Originally Posted by Dena View Post
    When I first came to TOL I was fairly fundamental in my Christianity but I was moving toward a more Liberal approach. Politically, I'm not sure? I think I was fairly Conservative in a Libertarian sort of way. It's hard for me to remember exactly where I was at that time. These days I'm not sure where I stand as far as labels and I don't worry about it. I vote for whomever I think is a good candidate. Last November I voted for a Libertarian and a Socialist, neither of which had a chance of winning. It was slim pickens around here.

    About the time I showed up here I started looking into Messianic Judaism but quickly figured out there wasn't much Jewish about it. By the next year I was able to let go of Christianity even in it's liberal form. Six months later I started at the Synagogue.

    I can't say for certain how my beliefs and opinions will change over time. They aren't set in concrete. Some may describe me as wishy-washy. I would say I'm just open to new ideas and new ways of thinking. I will stand pretty firm when I think something is wrong or something needs to be said. I don't change my mind from moment to moment on a whim. I just try to be open to more knowledge and considerate of others people's perspective as well as experience.

    In a few months I'll go to the mikveh for my conversion to Judaism. I didn't grow up in a Jewish family and I had no Jewish education. I have to grow into my Jewish identity as an adult without being a part of a Jewish family. It's isn't easy and I have so much to learn. Where I am now is surely not where I will be five years down the line, ten years down the line or 30 years from now. It's a whole new world.
    What has drawn you to Judaism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    Rabbit trails are okay sometimes. I occasionally take them myself. In fact... sometimes the rabbit trail is the most interesting part of the thread. Yet some folks hijack every thread they participate in and that can be frustrating (you are not one of those folks).
    You should've seen the bunny trail in VC's thread on abortion.

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    June is Gay Pride Month.Tolerance and diversity? More like tolerate perversity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmoney View Post
    I think the best summary of how I've changed is that I've become more liberal theologically and politically.
    But wouldn't that be like a whale gaining five pounds?
    You aren't what you eat, but you're always what you swallow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    But wouldn't that be like a whale gaining five pounds?
    It wouldn't if you were familiar with my views at the time I joined TOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmoney View Post
    It wouldn't if you were familiar with my views at the time I joined TOL.
    But then, who is? Present company excepted...maybe.
    You aren't what you eat, but you're always what you swallow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegascowboy View Post
    How many of you would say that you have changed...

    ...theologically, politically, etc....

    ...since you have been an active participator on TOL.


    NOTE: This change need not be as a direct result of being on TOL (through the ideas and words of others), although those stories, I think, would be the most interesting.

    Thanks.
    Wow this is an interesting thought, it's forcing me to think to much about why I joined, where I have been usually caught thinking about why I stay . . . . Cogs are starting to turn in ones brain again, this could be messy!

    The main thing issue that has changed for me with ToL's help was abortion . . .

    I used to be against abortion as a personal choice for me, as I have always wanted kids, however I could see and understand why some would take the option . . .

    That changed . . . .

    My last partner mis-carried at 6 months, something that effectively finished the relationship, I was truly heart broken and took a leave of absence from sanity for a little while. This mixed with some compelling arguments from others here, Elo and fool stick out, has landed me with the belief that there is always a better option and it should be done, the child's life is paramount. My only problem with the subject is I do not wish to see girls/women having to go to back alley internet doctors to get an abortion in the worst conditions.

    ToL played a big part in this.
    Ladies and gentlemen, take my advice. Pull down your pants, and slide on the ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragTagblues View Post
    Wow this is an interesting thought, it's forcing me to think to much about why I joined, where I have been usually caught thinking about why I stay . . . . Cogs are starting to turn in ones brain again, this could be messy!


    The main thing issue that has changed for me with ToL's help was abortion . . .

    I used to be against abortion as a personal choice for me, as I have always wanted kids, however I could see and understand why some would take the option . . .

    That changed . . . .

    My last partner mis-carried at 6 months, something that effectively finished the relationship, I was truly heart broken and took a leave of absence from sanity for a little while. This mixed with some compelling arguments from others here, Elo and fool stick out, has landed me with the belief that there is always a better option and it should be done, the child's life is paramount. My only problem with the subject is I do not wish to see girls/women having to go to back alley internet doctors to get an abortion in the worst conditions.

    ToL played a big part in this.
    Ragtag, that's an awful thing to have to go through. My wife and I have had a number of very close friends experience that as well. Thankfully, we have been blessed with three healthy children, the result of three complication-free pregnancies.

    Honestly, I can't imagine what life would be like without any one of them. My heart goes out to you, and your former partner. Thanks for sharing.

    PS - A full-hearted AMEN to what I bolded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    But then, who is? Present company excepted...maybe.
    Perhaps some TOLers who were around when I joined, which would exclude you.


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    I joined to argue, listen, talk, and change, learn, think, network, share, care, pray, live, to reconsider, to ponder, to grow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmoney View Post
    Perhaps some TOLers who were around when I joined,
    Yeah...and I'm sure they're all still talking about it.
    which would exclude you.
    Nazi.

    Well, Nazi monkey then.
    You aren't what you eat, but you're always what you swallow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmoney View Post
    Boo.

    Moderation FTW.
    On the contrary, at least his extremism is not lukewarm.

    PTOOEY!

    Nevertheless, if he doesn't turn to the right kind of extremism, he will still burn. But, here you are, encouraging him to be even worse - lukewarm.

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    I thought I would learn based on how I found this place. And I did.
    Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    Titus 1

    For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

    Ephesians 5

    11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmoney View Post
    I've grown to hate dogma on all sides and of all stripes.
    Where is the evidence for a global flood?
    E≈mc2
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    Bad to swallow you whole
    Kick the clay that holds the teeth in
    Throw your trolls out the door

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    Well, I used to be Arminian and now I believe in the open view. I also believed salvation could be lost, and was lost, every time I sinned and I had to confess and repent to be saved again. I now believe in eternal security. And I believed we should never judge people for any reason. I now believe we should judge, but only according to righteous judgment. All of this as a result of TOL and people who post[ed] here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lighthouse View Post
    Well, I used to be Arminian and now I believe in the open view. I also believed salvation could be lost, and was lost, every time I sinned and I had to confess and repent to be saved again. I now believe in eternal security. And I believed we should never judge people for any reason. I now believe we should judge, but only according to righteous judgment. All of this as a result of TOL and people who post[ed] here.
    The L-rd bless you and keep you;
    The L-rd make his face shine upon you,
    And be gracious to you;
    The L-rd lift up his countenance upon you,
    And give you peace.



    Abortion is murder. Period.

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