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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    In the past 14 years I have changed dramatically. I have become far less concerned about winning every argument and more concerned about just stating my beliefs on any given topic. There was a time not so long ago that I felt I needed to have the last word in every TOL debate, but now I really don't care if I have the last word. I prefer to state my case based on the facts as I see them and then... let the chips fall where they may.
    This is why you are Knight. Well-said.
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    Abortion is murder. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegascowboy View Post
    How many of you would say that you have changed...

    ...theologically, politically, etc....

    ...since you have been an active participator on TOL.


    NOTE: This change need not be as a direct result of being on TOL (through the ideas and words of others), although those stories, I think, would be the most interesting. Thanks.



    Some may convert from trinitarian to non-trinitarian while at TOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyArnold View Post
    Some may convert from trinitarian to non-trinitarian while at TOL.
    Are you in danger?
    The L-rd bless you and keep you;
    The L-rd make his face shine upon you,
    And be gracious to you;
    The L-rd lift up his countenance upon you,
    And give you peace.



    Abortion is murder. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ebenz47037 View Post
    I have. I used to believe in full-blown predestination. When my husband passed away, in 1999, I almost turned away from God because I believed that a God who would take a man away from a young wife with a nine year old daughter wasn't the God I wanted to serve. It was thanks to Knight, Sozo/ghost, Lion, Becky, Bob B, Bob Enyart, Bob Hill, Turbo, and Poly that I started to realize that God doesn't micromanage us to the last seconds of our lives. Basically, I went from a Calvinist to an open theist.

    I also changed a little politically. I was already conservative when I joined TOL. But, since joining, I've become what my family likes to call a "right-wing fanatic."


    Agreed, to an extent. God doesn't exactly micromanage in that way. But I'll still rather believe in a hybrid between Calvinism and open theist. I want to believe in both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyArnold View Post
    I want to believe in both.
    What does God want you to believe?
    The L-rd bless you and keep you;
    The L-rd make his face shine upon you,
    And be gracious to you;
    The L-rd lift up his countenance upon you,
    And give you peace.



    Abortion is murder. Period.

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    I've made a lot of changes in the 2.5 years I've been here. Religiously and politically. I think I'm still changing and I imagine I'll continue to change my ideas throughout my life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dena View Post
    I've made a lot of changes in the 2.5 years I've been here. Religiously and politically. I think I'm still changing and I imagine I'll continue to change my ideas throughout my life.
    This is fascinating to me. May I ask in what way? What kinds of ideas will continue to change for you? Are they life-changing ideas?
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    Abortion is murder. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegascowboy View Post
    Are you in danger?





    I'm in danger of changing, being open-minded, about anything. I discover this site December 2010, meaning that it is probably too soon to ponder the after-effects that TOL is having on me. So, in that regard, I'm in danger of becoming anything. I could be persuaded into joining Atheism, or any religion, sect, denomination, cult, clan, group, culture, doctrine, idea, dogma, or anything, really. Time will tell.



    Quote Originally Posted by Knight View Post
    In the past 14 years I have changed dramatically. I have become far less concerned about winning every argument and more concerned about just stating my beliefs on any given topic. There was a time not so long ago that I felt I needed to have the last word in every TOL debate, but now I really don't care if I have the last word. I prefer to state my case based on the facts as I see them and then... let the chips fall where they may.

    Knight, I agree: "But I got to be the last man standing. I got to have the last words," has always been my thoughts, especially during Bible College. I love competition, debates, sports. But I'm still learning to calm down, learning how to be a Knight.

    A Knight is shinning armor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegascowboy View Post
    Are you in danger?
    He isn't in the Body of Christ, so yeah, he is in danger of hell-fire.
    Jesus saves completely. http://www.climatedepot.com/ http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    Titus 1

    For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, whose mouths must be stopped

    Ephesians 5

    11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them. 12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyArnold View Post
    Agreed, to an extent. God doesn't exactly micromanage in that way. But I'll still rather believe in a hybrid between Calvinism and open theist. I want to believe in both.
    As an open theist, I don't believe that God doesn't have any control over anyone on earth anymore (It took a discussion with Knight a few years ago to get that one through to me.). I believe that the majority of bad things that happen to people, now, (like heart attacks at age forty, women being raped and murdered in their own apartments by neighbors, children being molested by their parents, and wives being beaten by their husbands) happen because of the choices the perpetrators make to commit the acts they do. By the way, Joey, this is why I won't forgive Hitler for my ex-husband beating me. My ex made the decision to hit me. Hitler had nothing to do with it.

    While I don't agree with everything that the people I mentioned in my earlier post believe in and I'm sure they don't agree with everything that I believe, we agree on the biggest thing about our faith: that Christ is the focus and the whole reason for our faith. I look forward to the day when we can sit together, as a group of friends, at Christ's feet and find out "from the horse's mouth" what we're right and wrong about when it comes to Christianity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vegascowboy View Post
    How many of you would say that you have changed...

    ...theologically, politically, etc....

    ...since you have been an active participator on TOL.


    NOTE: This change need not be as a direct result of being on TOL (through the ideas and words of others), although those stories, I think, would be the most interesting.

    Thanks.
    Changed? I'm more convinced the Christian/Muslim/Jewish god is more of a myth than ever . . . thanks guys ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
    "The more scientifically literate, intellectually honest and objectively skeptical a person is, the more likely they are to disbelieve in anything supernatural, including god."

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegascowboy View Post
    What does God want you to believe?


    Both? I'm praying that God believes in a compromise between Calvinism and Open-Theism, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silent Hunter View Post
    Changed? I'm more convinced the Christian/Muslim/Jewish god is more of a myth than ever . . . thanks guys ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !






    Your welcome. But the show's not over yet, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeyArnold View Post
    Your welcome. But the show's not over yet, right?
    It's BEEN over . . . since forever ago. You simply haven't let go of your delusion it isn't.
    "The more scientifically literate, intellectually honest and objectively skeptical a person is, the more likely they are to disbelieve in anything supernatural, including god."

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