User Tag List

Page 1 of 89 12341151 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 1325

Thread: The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

  1. #1
    TOL Legend beloved57's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    ATL
    Posts
    18,741
    Thanks
    595
    Thanked 1,849 Times in 1,766 Posts

    Blog Entries
    14
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    50999

    The Myth of saying that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception !

    Another popular Myth in the religious world today, is the Jesus Christ died or gave His Life for everyone in the world without exception, but the problem with that, is there is not one shred of scripture evidence that states that.

    The scripture however does say that He died for His Sheep or His Church as per Jn 10:11,15

    11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

    15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

    Eph 5:25

    25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

    His People Isa 53:8

    8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. cp Matt 1:21

    Now, are all without exception His Sheep ? No

    Are all without exception His Church ? No

    Are all without exception His People ? No

    For surely the seed of the serpent Gen 3:15 cannot be of His Sheep, His Church, or His People.

    So why does the religous world proclaim that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception, when they have no scripture proof ? Because it is a Myth.
    Last edited by beloved57; July 22nd, 2013 at 05:50 PM.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

  2. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to beloved57 For Your Post:

    BoyStan (October 27th, 2018),Nanja (October 13th, 2017)

  3. #2
    LIFETIME MEMBER steko's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Tennessee
    Posts
    13,516
    Thanks
    28,008
    Thanked 21,630 Times in 11,878 Posts

    Mentioned
    64 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    2147717
    1Jn 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

  4. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to steko For Your Post:

    Evil.Eye.<(I)> (January 7th, 2017),JudgeRightly (March 27th, 2017)

  5. #3
    Rookie
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    31
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts

    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    112
    Jn 3:17, Rom 11:32, 1 Tim 2:4,6
    Biblical Means Catholic. God is Infinitely Merciful

  6. #4
    TOL Legend beloved57's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    ATL
    Posts
    18,741
    Thanks
    595
    Thanked 1,849 Times in 1,766 Posts

    Blog Entries
    14
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    50999
    Quote Originally Posted by steko View Post
    1Jn 2:2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
    Where does this say that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception ?
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

  7. #5
    TOL Legend beloved57's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    ATL
    Posts
    18,741
    Thanks
    595
    Thanked 1,849 Times in 1,766 Posts

    Blog Entries
    14
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    50999
    Quote Originally Posted by patricius79 View Post
    Jn 3:17, Rom 11:32, 1 Tim 2:4,6
    Where does these say that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception ?
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

  8. #6
    TOL Legend
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
    Posts
    9,273
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts

    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)


    Rep Power
    11804
    Where does it say that God is omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent? The principle is taught without the exact words, duh.

    TULIP is tradition vs truth and is not the gospel.

    The perfect objective provision intended and sufficient for all men is not subjectively appropriated by all men (we can receive/reject Christ). God's love is unlimited, but we are able to respond or reject due to the nature of reciprocal love relationships.
    Know God and make Him known! (YWAM)

    They said: "Where is the God of Elijah?"
    I say: "Where are the Elijahs of God?" (Ravenhill "Why Revival Tarries")

    Rev. 1:17, 18; Jer. 9:23, 24

    "No Compromise!" (Keith Green)

    The Pledge: He died for me; I'll live for Him.

  9. #7
    TOL Subscriber Nang's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    California
    Posts
    7,794
    Thanks
    1,194
    Thanked 2,254 Times in 1,623 Posts

    Mentioned
    37 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    261676
    Quote Originally Posted by godrulz View Post

    The perfect objective provision intended and sufficient for all men is not subjectively appropriated by all men (we can receive/reject Christ).
    That is because the "objective provision" did not include all men. (John 5:21)

    And sinners can only "receive" the benefits of Christ's cross work, when and if the Father draws them to faith in Him. (John 6:44)

    That is because the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ was substitutional, according to covenant promises made to an elect people. And that covenant was ratified by the blood of Christ and guaranteed through the person of Christ as surety of the covenant.

    IOW's, any soul who has been given the surety of Christ, cannot ever lose their justification or fail to know ultimate salvation. To say otherwise, declares God to be a liar and a cheat.

    The Father has promised life to a chosen people; the Son substituted His life and flesh and blood for those very people; the Holy Spirit irresistibly calls and draws those named people to faith in Jesus Christ, and guarantees them everlasting life. (Ephesians 1:13-14)

    This is the surety of the Christian faith . . . and all other gospel messages are not only myths and unscriptural, but outright lies from the devil.

    Nang
    "The immutable God never learned anything and never changed his mind. He knew everything from eternity."

    " The difference between faith and saving faith are the propositions believed."
    Gordon H. Clark

    "If a man be lost, God must not have the blame for it; but if a man be saved, God must have the glory of it."
    Charles Spurgeon

  10. #8
    Veteran
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    286
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 34 Times in 33 Posts

    Mentioned
    10 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    3389
    So which of your verses say there are exceptions?

  11. #9
    TOL Legend beloved57's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    ATL
    Posts
    18,741
    Thanks
    595
    Thanked 1,849 Times in 1,766 Posts

    Blog Entries
    14
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    50999
    nang:

    The Father has promised life to a chosen people;
    Yes, His Elect, Chosen in Christ before the world began titus 1:

    1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

    2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

  12. #10
    TOL Legend Arthur Brain's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Precariously balanced on top of a mineshaft
    Posts
    14,809
    Thanks
    8,990
    Thanked 7,073 Times in 4,708 Posts

    Mentioned
    22 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    2147749
    Quote Originally Posted by Nang View Post
    That is because the "objective provision" did not include all men. (John 5:21)

    And sinners can only "receive" the benefits of Christ's cross work, when and if the Father draws them to faith in Him. (John 6:44)

    That is because the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ was substitutional, according to covenant promises made to an elect people. And that covenant was ratified by the blood of Christ and guaranteed through the person of Christ as surety of the covenant.

    IOW's, any soul who has been given the surety of Christ, cannot ever lose their justification or fail to know ultimate salvation. To say otherwise, declares God to be a liar and a cheat.

    The Father has promised life to a chosen people; the Son substituted His life and flesh and blood for those very people; the Holy Spirit irresistibly calls and draws those named people to faith in Jesus Christ, and guarantees them everlasting life. (Ephesians 1:13-14)

    This is the surety of the Christian faith . . . and all other gospel messages are not only myths and unscriptural, but outright lies from the devil.

    Nang
    Um, why would the devil even need to lie if it's only the predestined 'chosen' who are going to be saved anyway? What difference would that make if it's already a 'done deal' and irrevocable? So what, the devil decides to invent a whole gamut of 'heresies' that wouldn't alter anything regardless? :squint:

    Um, ya, that makes sense......

    What a selfish and limiting doctrine you have. The requisite 'I'm no more deserving' than the 'non elect' just rings sickeningly hollow, not to mention the twisting and lack of logic...

    Well this is fun isn't it?


  13. #11
    Veteran
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    286
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 34 Times in 33 Posts

    Mentioned
    10 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    3389
    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Another popular Myth in the religious world today, is the Jesus Christ died or gave His Life for everyone in the world without exception, but the problem with that, is there is not one shred of scripture evidence that states that.

    The scripture however does say that He died for His Sheep or His Church as per Jn 10:

    11I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

    15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

    eph 5:

    25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

    His People Isa 53:

    8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. cp Matt 1:21

    Now, are all without exception His Sheep ? No

    Are all without exception His Church ? No

    Are all without exception His People ? No

    For surely the seed of the serpent Gen 3:15 cannot be of His Sheep, His Church, or His People.

    So why does the religous world proclaim that Jesus Christ died for all men without exception, when they have no scripture proof ? Because it is a Myth.
    Do you beleive "by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation"? Romans 5:18

  14. #12
    LIFETIME MEMBER steko's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Tennessee
    Posts
    13,516
    Thanks
    28,008
    Thanked 21,630 Times in 11,878 Posts

    Mentioned
    64 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    2147717
    IT ain't no myth!

    Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned--every one--to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

  15. #13
    Over 1000 post club Dena's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    U.S.
    Posts
    1,087
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 10 Times in 10 Posts

    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    4552
    I just can't figure out why this idea continues among Christians.

  16. #14
    Registered User
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    298
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post

    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Rep Power
    0
    This message is deleted and closed.
    Last edited by ThePresbyteers; November 24th, 2010 at 10:12 AM.

  17. #15
    Veteran
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    286
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 34 Times in 33 Posts

    Mentioned
    10 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Rep Power
    3389
    Quote Originally Posted by ThePresbyteers View Post
    .... Perhaps God put Open Theism in front of you so you would reject Him.

    Rejection proves Total Depravity.
    So God causes one to reject?

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
About us
Since 1997 TheologyOnline (TOL) has been one of the most popular theology forums on the internet. On TOL we encourage spirited conversation about religion, politics, and just about everything else.

follow us