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Isaiah 55:9
1 Corinthians 2:6-10
Hebrews 11:1-3
John 15:5
(else only those 'capable' would be saved, not the deaf/dumb
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Someone may be 'logical' in basic math but missing the boat entirely with quantum physics, thus their logic only goes so far, nevertheless, Romans 10:11
Sounds great until you actually quote the passages you cite....
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Isaiah 55:9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
Quite so! And as such, they are not BELOW are thoughts!
This verse does not in any way imply that God is irrational or that anything we are asked to believe is irrational.
There are plenty of things we have no way of knowing or understanding because of a lack of information or context but that isn't remotely the same thing.
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1 Corinthians 2:6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God ordained before the ages for our glory, 8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written:
“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
Amen!
Once again, not a single syllable here about belief in the irrational or that sound reason is to be distrusted or in any other way undermined or discounted.
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Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 2 For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.
3 By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.
This is one of my very favorite passages!
Why?
Because it is teaching just the exact opposite of what practically every mindless Christian on the planet thinks it's teaching. It isn't trying to tell you that faith itself is the evidence of things unseen! How would that make any sense? People believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy and billions have believed in Baal and Zeus or every other false god you can name. Their faith wasn't evidence for anything other than their own stupidity.
This passage uses a figure of speech. It's saying that faith is the proper response to the substantive evidence that is presented before us and which is all around us every day. The heaven declare the glory of God and He has made Himself plain to us through the things He has made, even our own selves, our own bodies and own own minds testify not only to God's existence but to His righteousness and power.
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John 15:5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
This verse is not relevant. It is, at the very best, taken out of context and has exactly nothing to do with whether we are able to understand the difference between the truth and error, between the rational and the irrational, between reality and fantasy.
(else only those 'capable' would be saved, not the deaf/dumb
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This makes not sense. No one will have an excuse on judgement day. People will be held to that which they are capable and no more or less. God is not unjust.
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Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
Luke 12:47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.
James 3:1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
Someone may be 'logical' in basic math but missing the boat entirely with quantum physics, thus their logic only goes so far, nevertheless, Romans 10:11
Quantum physics (it's actually called Quantum Mechanics) is a strictly mathematically based theory and it is not logical and intentionally so!
Look Lon, you really aught to stick with what you know something about. I mean, you literally could not possibly have found something less appropriate to use as an analogy. Quantum Mechanics has aspects of it that are rational and it happens to be those aspects that yield some useful predictions and information about the world in which we live but the thing with mathematics is that you can take things to whatever extreme you desire and well past anything that has any practical application, or analog in, the real world. And it happens to be the fact that such mathematical theories suggest blatantly irrational things that tells us that we have not figured out what is actually going on. In other words, just because, in a mathematical sense, it is useful to talk about one photon going through both slits at once in a double slit experiment, doesn't mean that this is what actually happens and just because you can talk quite accurately about a photon being a particle or a wave, does not mean that it is actually both things in some fundamentally contradictory way. If you think it does then I promise you that you do not know what you're talking about.
But none of that even matters! In fact, it is so entirely irrelevant that I won't discuss it further. The point is not about theoretical "science" it is about epistemology. You cannot know anything without reason. You cannot even attempt undermine reason without using reason in the attempt! To say that reason is untrustworthy is to admit that you don't know that reason is untrustworthy because you had to use some process of reason to come to that conclusion in the first place. Any attempt to undermine the veracity of sound reason is immediately, totally and utterly irrefragably self-stultifying before the first syllable of it is uttered because no meaningful syllable can be uttered without reason.
Did you fail to notice the irony of your having started your post with the "think" smiley?! :think:
