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    How do those That Christ died for receive the Atonement ?

    Rom 5:11

    11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.


    The word atonement here is the greek word :

    katallagē:


    ) exchange

    a) of the business of money changers, exchanging equivalent values

    2) adjustment of a difference, reconciliation, restoration to favour

    a) in the NT of the restoration of the favour of God to sinners that repent and put their trust in the expiatory death of Christ

    The word is used here also:

    Rom 11:15

    15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

    2 Cor 5:18-19

    18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

    19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    So what is Paul saying in the text of Rom 5:11 ?

    He is saying that we, all those Christ died for, receive the benefit of the atonement by or through Jesus Christ, that is , He ensures that its benefits are received by those He died for. He ensures that by the Holy Spirit, whom He sends, applies those benefits to those He died for, thats another role of His as Mediator. The Holy Spirit because of Christ reveals to each child of mercy that they had a covenant interest in Christ blood: Jn 16:14-15

    14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    15All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

    Initially that applied to His disciple's, but it also applies to His Church, His body. And through this effectual application they or we become Justified in our own consciousness by Faith, hence by this we receive the atonement, the comfort of it, and the peace of it..
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    More on Redemption ! Secures unto us our regeneration

    Justification unto or into life by the Spirit. This must be because the old life has been crucified with the Lord Jesus Christ, all of its sins , past, present and future have been blotted out once and for all, so now we must be born again to serve in the Newness of Life, Gods Justice demands it for Christ sake.

    So Legal Justification by the blood of Christ, and forgiveness of all sins because of the blood of Christ, this demands that all Christ died for be made New Creatures. This is so because the end or purpose of being redeemed was for:

    1. To redeem us [All Christ died for, His Church] from all lawlessness or iniquity Titus 2:14

    2a. To Purify to Himself a particular People as His very unique possession [ This speaks to the Truth of particular redemption] Titus 2:14

    2b. To create a people zealous of good works which He had been before ordained see Eph 2:10

    10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    And these specific purposes and ends for redemption is effected by our regeneration, being born of the Spirit into His Kingdom. So redemption secures for us a New Creation, in order to live in the newness of Life and to perform the God ordained Spiritual Works He has prepared for us to walk in them.
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    Christ death effects subjective reconciliation also !

    2 Cor 5:18-21

    18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

    19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    20Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

    21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    In vs 20, Paul is giving [ In Christ stead or behalf] as though Christ was speaking Himself, a imperative or a command, to who , those already reconciled to God objectively vs 18, it is now time for them to be ye reconciled subjectively by the word of reconciliation, which is the Gospel.

    You see, The reconciliation in the death of Christ did more than Just give objective standing of favor with God, more than just legal standing of no condemnation, but it also ensured or effects our subjective reconciliation unto God, that is we will be saved experimentally as well.

    This blessed Truth is again stated by the Apostle here Rom 5:10

    10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

    Being saved here is what answers to or corresponds with the "be ye reconciled" in vs 20 of 2 Cor 5:20

    In the greek,"be ye reconciled" is a aorist passive imperative, so the subjects are being acted upon, they are actually being reconciled by decree of imperative. They are being saved from the power of sin, and being brought to God subjectively 1 Pet 2:25

    25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned or being converted unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

    The word for returned here is the greek word epistrepho:

    to turn to

    to the worship of the true God

    to cause to return, to bring back

    to the love and obedience of God

    to the love for the children

    to love wisdom and righteousness

    Also peter uses it in the passive voice, they are being acted upon, being caused to return to the Bishop of their souls.

    Thats the subjective reconciliation thats effected in the Death of Christ for all He died for..His death actually brings us to God into fellowship with Him..
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    Christ applies redemption as well !

    The Lord Jesus Christ in His Threefold Mediatorial Character as Priest, prophet and King, makes sure that the Salvation He accomplished for all those He died for, is experienced by them, that is, not only was His blood a bare purchase and then He sets back and offers it, but also by Him as King, He applies it to its subjects to give it effect, to bestow its benefits of grace, they being destined to be conformed into His image, which is their total salvation.

    For this cause He was invested with all power in both heaven and earth as per Matt 28:18

    18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

    Jn 17:2

    2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give[apply] eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

    The word power in Matt 28:18 and Jn 17:2 is the greek word exousia:


    power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases

    a) leave or permission

    2) physical and mental power

    a) the ability or strength with which one is endued, which he either possesses or exercises

    3) the power of authority (influence) and of right (privilege)

    Jesus made this point very clear, that He has all Power to His [Disciples] at their commission. This was not just to be saying that He has all power, but in and through their witness of the Truth of His death, He would be applying that which He purchased as Priest [His offering of Himself] by His own blood, their salvation.
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    Christ applies redemption as well cont

    In Christ's Threefold Character as Priest, Prophet and King, each plays a role in the salvation of those He died and rose, as their Priest, He offered Himself for them, purchases their liberty, their right to life. Heb 7:27

    Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

    Heb 9:14

    How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

    Lk 4:18

    The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

    Notice, the effect , Jesus said He is to set at liberty those that are bruised, not offer them liberty, not make it possible, but He actually sets them at liberty..Its the same word for send forth

    Matt 13:41


    41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

    You see, He is acting as King when He sends forth His Angels, to gather out of His Kingdom !

    So He applies as King, His work as Priest, He applies the redemption of His blood that He offered..

    He sets or makes them free Jn 8:36

    If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

    The word make means "to set at liberty" from the dominion of sin !
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    Christ applies redemption as well cont

    We have seen that as part of His Threefold Character, that as Priest, He has offered Himself as an offering for sin. Isa 53:10

    10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

    2Cor 5:21

    21For he hath made him to be sin[A sin offering] for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    Now, as Prophet He makes known to those He died for their forgiveness, He publishes it.

    One of things He was to do was to give Light to the gentiles. Lk 2:32

    A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

    The word lighten here is the greek word apokalypsis:

    a disclosure of truth, instruction

    Its a communication of the Knowledge of God to the soul.

    The Amplified bible reads :

    32A Light for [a]revelation to the Gentiles [to disclose what was before unknown] and [to bring] praise and honor and glory to Your people Israel.(A)


    This was prophesied in the Prophet Isa Isa 42:6

    6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

    Isa 49:6

    6And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

    This applied also to the elect Jews as well, He made known to them, The True God.

    Jn 17:1-3

    1These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

    2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

    3And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    As Prophet, He made Known the True God to all whom the Father hath given Him, of both jews and gentiles..

    This was a result of His shedding of the blood of the New Covenant , it ensured a proper and Spiritual knowledge of God Heb 8:10-11

    10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

    11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

    So As Prophet, He Reveals the True God to those He died for.

    This revealing also denotes making Known to them The remission of their sins. Lk 1:77


    77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

    The word knowledge here is to make known as in Matt 13:11

    11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

    As our Prophet, He makes Known unto us our Salvation in the remission of our sins that came through His shed blood Matt 26:28

    28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
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    Christ applies redemption as well cont

    Now it has been shown from scripture that Christ as Mediator, plays a Threefold role in the salvation He accomplished by and through His death of the cross, and present sitting on His Throne of Glory. He was the Priest that offered Himself, shed His blood for the sins of all His People, jew or gentile, and He is the Prophet that makes Known this salvation to His People that He died for, and finally, He is the Great King that applies and give effect to this salvation to all that He died. He applies His Salvation by sending the work of the Spirit unto each one He died for, that He [The Holy Spirit] will quicken them with New Life, that He would work in them to both will and to do of His good pleasure.

    This is why it is immediately said upon His ascension to the Throne, that He received from the Father, as a reward for His cross work] the Holy Ghost Acts 2:33

    Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

    The Holy Ghost is the promise given to Christ that He may shed forth upon all His seed.

    This is spoken of in Isa 44:1-3

    1Yet now hear, O Jacob my servant; and Israel, whom I have chosen:

    2Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb, which will help thee; Fear not, O Jacob, my servant; and thou, Jesurun, whom I have chosen.

    3For I will pour water upon him that is thirsty, and floods upon the dry ground: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed, and my blessing upon thine offspring:

    Also alluding to this at the ascension of Christ and He having received in order to give gifts to men is Eph 4:8-11

    8Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

    9(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

    10He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

    11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

    The Holy Spirit embodies all the gifts needed for the completion and application of Christ redeeming work, and this is as King, having conquered, that He sends Him [The Holy Spirit] forth. It is the Holy Spirit whom Christ sheds or pours forth that regenerates and renews all those Christ died for, this is taught here Titus 3:5-6

    5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

    6Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

    Note, the word gifts in Eph 4:8 is the greek word doma, and its the same word used for gifts in Lk 11:13

    when speaking of the giving of the Holy Spirit :

    13If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

    And thats what King Jesus applies or sheds forth to His redeemed Church !

    All the Mediatorial Offices of Christ are essential, not one of them can be neglected. The Office of King can be supposed to supersede that of Prophet and Priest, as it could be supposed that Prophet and Priest could supersede that of King, for it would be meaningless to speak of applying what has not been procured or purchased, but even more senseless to speak of procuring or purchasing what would not be applied, by the Purchaser..
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    It canceled our legal liability to the Law of God !

    Folks, at the Great White Throne, those who are going to hell to perish for their sins, is because of their sins against God's Law, for the strength of sin is the Law 1 Cor 15:56

    56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

    Col 2:14

    14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    Paul here teaches that Christ by His Cross, has canceled His People's legal liability [God's Law] having erased the written code, with its regulations, that were against us, opposed to us, He took them away [Jn 1:29] nailing it to His Cross.

    Now any teaching that states that in any way, that those whom Christ died for, that is His cross work on their behalf, that if any of them are legally condemned for their sins, thats a false teaching and opposes the work of Christ. Those who in light of such a scripture as this one Col 2:14, still believe that those whom Christ died for are still at any time in their lives condemned by God for their sins in the flesh, they are rejecting the clear implications of the Saving Work and Accomplishment of Christ, these will therefore by their profession become enemies to the cause of Christ.
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    Heb 5:9 Its a Saving Death

    Heb 5:9

    9And being made perfect[Through His Death], he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;


    If we are obeying Christ, it is because He was the Author or source of our Salvation. That is obedience to the Faith is an and effect and fruit of His redeeming death Rom 5:19

    19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous [or obedient].

    Ps 22:30

    30A seed shall serve[be obedient to] him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation [see 1Pet 2:9a].

    9But ye are a chosen generation,

    Many have corrupted Heb 5:9 and turned it into a conditional saving, as to say if one obeys Christ then Christ will save them, but its actually the opposite, If Christ has saved us by the merits of His death, then obedience to Him will be effected..

    So those not obeying Christ and His Gospel, then there really is no evidence or fruit that He died for them..
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    The word accomplish :

    to bring to its goal or conclusion; carry out; perform; finish:

    complete, fulfill; execute, effect

    This thread is about What Christ accomplished, performed , effected by His Covenant Death. He put the Blessings of it into force as in Heb 9:17

    17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

    The ESV For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive.

    This is what Daniel prophesied when He wrote, The Covenant shall be confirmed with Many ! Dan 9:27

    27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    The word confirm here means :

    to confirm, give strength

    2) to confirm (a covenant)

    Now as a result or consequence of this accomplishment by the blood of Christ [ Matt 26:28;Heb 13:20], the following shall occur to the Heirs of the Covenant

    He [Christ the Risen Mediator of the Covenant] shall open blind eyes, that is to give spiritual sight. Isa 42:6-7

    6I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

    7To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

    Amen, this is an accomplishment of the death of Christ, to open up blind eyes, Spiritually Blind.

    Remember when Jesus said stated in Jn 9:39 one of His purposes for coming ? Lets read vs39

    39And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

    This was mainly for the Gentiles, because many in Israel boasted that they could see, they would say, we have moses, we be circumcised and we keep the law. But the point is, because of His death, His blood of the Covenant, many shall be given sight by Him.

    Paul was used in this respect Acts 26:17-18

    17Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,

    18To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

    You see that ? Paul was an instrument in the Hand of Christ in confirming the Covenant to many, to open their eyes spiritually.
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    Jesus Himself states that His death shall bear fruit !

    John 12:32-33

    32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

    33This he said, signifying what death he should die.

    Jesus here is saying that His death would effect or produce results, that by it, all men will be drawn to Him, meaning shall believe in Him for Salvation.

    The all men here does not mean all without exception, but all without distinction, both jews and gentiles alike see vs 20

    In the original the word men does not appear, so it reads, will draw all[pas] unto me.

    The All, is all types of races of men, and I believe its the all that the Father gave Him as Per Jn 6:37

    37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

    Jn 17:2

    2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

    The reason why He is speaking about all types or races of men is because, as the Seed of Abraham [ Gal 3:16] He will draw, convert all of Abraham's promised Children to Him. Remember when God told Abraham, that A Father of Many Nations He had made him in Gen 17:5

    5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

    Well Jesus death as the seed of Abraham would accomplish the gathering in of Abraham's seed from all Nations.

    That word in Gen 17:5 for nations is the hebrew word gowy :

    nation, people

    a) nation, people

    1) usually of non-Hebrew people

    2) of descendants of Abraham

    3) of Israel

    And the word is also translated gentiles as here:

    Isa 11:10

    10And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.

    Isa 42:1,6

    1Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

    6I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;[Thats because the Gentiles were included in the Abrahamic Covenant in Gen 17:5]

    Isa 49:6

    6And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

    All this was in regards to God's Covenant with Abraham, that He was made a Father of Many Nations, and in doing so, He would multiply his seed. Gen 17:2,7

    2And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.

    7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

    This establishes the fact, that what God said to Abraham in vs 5, had to do with His Covenantal Promises to Him.

    That this matter related to Justification is clearly brought to the forefront by Paul here Gal 3:8

    8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

    Also, the word for nations in Gen 17:5, also is translated heathen as here Ps 102:15

    15So the heathen shall fear the name of the LORD, and all the kings of the earth thy glory.

    These heathen would be Abraham's seed among the Nations or the Gentiles that were part of the Covenant to Abraham.

    Now, I am presenting this, so we can understand why Jesus spake of His death as the means by which He would draw all unto Him. Not all as in all men without exception, but all without distinction, of the seed of Abraham from among the Gentile Nations.
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    So we see Jesus Himself making the claim that if He be Lifted up, meaning His death, that He would cause or draw all to Himself, all types of People. The word draw is the greek word helkō and means:

    to draw, drag off

    2) metaph., to draw by inward power, lead, impel

    It means to lead by an inward power ! And what is this Power ? Lets look at Zech 4:6

    Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

    Yes, thats right, the Power is the Holy Spirit of God, which is given in the New Birth, it is He which leads men unto Faith in Christ.

    Ps 110:3

    3Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

    In the Day of Christ's Power, His People shall be made willing, that is the Day when His Spirit is sent to them to give them New Life, To convince them of Sin Jn 16:8-10.

    Its in this day that the word of God Preached to them comes with the Holy Ghost and so with Power 1 Thess 1:5

    For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

    Believing, and Hope comes through the Power of the Holy Ghost Rom 15:13

    Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

    That word power is the greek word dynamis and means:

    strength power, ability

    a) inherent power, power residing in a thing by virtue of its nature, or which a person or thing exerts and puts forth

    b) power for performing miracles

    c) moral power and excellence of soul

    You see, this is needed because by nature, the elect of God are without strength Rom 5:6

    For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

    So Christ by dying, He provides the strength that His People need by supplying them with the Holy Ghost in their New Birth, and He , the Holy Ghost leads Them into all Truth Jn 16:13, and of course in doing so, He guides them to Christ who is The Truth Jn 14:6

    6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    So you see, the lifting up of Christ upon the cross, His death, produced the effect of the work of The Holy Ghost. Remember after His ascension, it is stated that He received of His Father the Promise of the Holy Ghost Acts 2:33

    Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

    Why do you think He received of the Holy Ghost ? Because of the results He was to effect in all the People He was died for, whom He was lifted up in behalf of. Thats what they heard and saw on the day of Pentecost when souls were made alive and desired to be instructed in the things of God, They were being drawn to Christ, to believe in Him. This I say is an accomplishment of Christ death. Jn 12:32
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    That we might Live through Him !

    If anything short of life everlasting is the result or outcome of Christ coming into the world for those He died for, then God's Purpose for Him coming has failed. Also His Love has failed.

    1 Jn 4:9

    9In this was manifested the love of God toward us[Believers or Sheep], because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

    In other words, John is stating the Purpose and intent of God in sending into this world, His Only Begotten Son, it was in order that, Life everlasting would be effectually communicated unto us, and that we may live Spiritually through Him. It is similar to when Jesus said of His Sheep Jn 10:10

    The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

    Now both of these scriptures have one thing in common, the word That. The word that is the greek conjunction hina:

    that, in order that, so that


    This word when used in conjunction with the subjunctive mood, is not expressing uncertainty, but Purpose, God Himself fulfilling the conditions for the intended purpose to come into fruition.

    The results therefore is that all for whom Christ came to die for, receive Life, both spiritual and eternal. Notice Jn 6:33

    For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

    All Christ died for will receive a New Birth, a New Life.

    This is what Jesus meant in Jn 12:24

    Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

    The fruit is Life Eternal Jn 4:36

    And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together.

    The eternal life, the Spiritual Life of all those Christ came and died for, are His wages for His work.
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    It made them Christ died for Spiritually Rich !

    2 Cor 8:9

    9For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

    Notice "That ye [ The Church of God see 2 Cor 1:1] through His poverty [ made in the likeness of sinful flesh] might be rich.

    This is stating a Divine Purpose to be accomplished through His coming and giving His Life for the objects He gave His Life for, the Church of God. Notice to whom this Letter is written 2 Cor 1:1

    1Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

    And we know scripture tells us without question That Christ gave Himself for the Church He Loved Eph 5:25

    25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

    The end result is to make it Rich.

    Remember Christ told some in the Church Smyrna Rev 2:9

    9I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

    This is stated to be Christ Purpose for coming into the world in 2 Cor 8:9.

    That ye through His Poverty might be rich.

    This statement is in the subjunctive mood, which means the result in view is contingent upon a condition, in this instance the condition is Christ being made poor for them. And whenever the conjunction word hina precedes the stated end, it denotes the Divine Purpose is the First Cause, and means "in order that" or "so that"

    Christ was made poor in order that ye be made rich !

    This includes their sin debt being paid in full and being clothed in the fine linen of Christ Imputed Righteousness and being made rich in Faith. 2 Cor 5:21

    21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    Rom 5:19

    19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

    James 2:5

    5Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

    God chose them to be and made them rich in Faith through Christ being made poor for them !

    It is God only who maketh Rich 1 Sam 2:7

    7The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up.

    Now this Truth is True in both a natural sense and Spiritual sense !

    God through Christ makes us Kings and Priests Rev 1:5-6

    5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

    6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father
    ; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

    You see that " hath made us so" not offer to make, or make it available if you accept it. But He makes it happen !

    That word made is the greek word poieō and means:


    to make

    a) with the names of things made, to produce, construct, form, fashion,

    to make a thing out of something

    to (make i.e.) constitute or appoint one anything, to appoint or ordain one that

    to make one do something

    1) cause one to

    You see that ? To make one do something. Not ask them to do it, but makes them do it !

    This is being made a new creature in Christ Spiritual Kingdom !

    All this is a accomplishment of the Atonement and to enter man's freewill into this is nothing less than blasphemy and attempts to steal the Crown that belongs upon the Head of Christ..
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    Christ death accomplished Redemption for His People !

    About Redemption, God does not call the redeemed to return to Him[Repentance] in order to be redeemed, but because they are already redeemed Isa 44:22

    22I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

    Thats done solely by the Blood of Christ Eph 1:7

    7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

    God through Christ hath already redeemed Israel, His Chosen in Christ !

    Isa 43:1

    But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.

    Isa 44:23

    Sing, O ye heavens; for the LORD hath done it: shout, ye lower parts of the earth: break forth into singing, ye mountains, O forest, and every tree therein: for the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and glorified himself in Israel.

    Lk 1:68

    Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

    These are not referring to Israel according to the Flesh, Abraham's physical descendants, because they in themselves are not the Children of God Rom 9:8

    8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

    But this Israel are all those Chosen in Christ before the Foundation of the world, The Seed of Abraham Gal 3:16

    Also its the same with reconciliation, God does not call the reconciled in order to be reconciled, but because they are already objectively reconciled by the Death of God's Son. Rom 5:10

    10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

    2 Cor 5:18-20

    18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

    19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    20Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

    So the Gospel call goes out to the already redeemed or the already reconciled, now is time for them to receive the Knowledge and comfort of them..
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