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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    You are the evasion, you are evading all responsibilities that Jesus gave to His followers and adoring yourselves, daily.

    You are spreading lazy faith to the world. shame on you.

    Jesus did not dye on the cross so you dont have to do anything.
    More Evasion and rabbit trail
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    More Evasion and rabbit trail
    suit yourself in delusional faith and adoring yourselves.

    good day.

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    All the Elect, those Christ died for are free from sin and it's power to condemn them Rom 8:33-34

    33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

    34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

    The Elect before the bar of God's Justice are Justified, because it is Christ that died. That is Christ died as being condemned in their place and stead. In fact the legal condemnation that they did incur in Adam Rom 5:16-18

    16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

    17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

    18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

    Their condemnation, a real condemnation was not imputed to them, was not laid to their charge 2 Cor 5:19, but was actually laid to the Charge of Christ their Head and Represenative ! Yes, in and of thmselves they are condemned and guillty and sinful, but legally God had made a Covenant with their Surety before the foundation to charge Him with their awful crimes ! Christ could say of the sins of the elect imputed to Him Ps 69:5

    5O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee.

    So because of Christ, sin cannot condemn any for whom Christ did die for, His Elect, so they are dead to sin that way as well !

    It can never be imputed to them, because it was once and for all imputed to Christ, and He bear them away Jn 1:29 Dan 9:24

    Amen !

    God's Elect Rom. 8:33-34 stand completely vindicated, sinless in God's sight !

    Ps. 103:12
    As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

    Rom. 8:1
    There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


    Christ as designated Surety Heb. 7:22 by God the Father in the Everlasting Covenant of Grace, took upon Himself the sins / iniquity of all God's Elect; the Members of His Body, Chosen in Him of the Father to have forgiveness of sins Eph. 1:4-7; His Sheep Heb. 13:20 He laid down His Life for John 10:11, 15.


    Is. 53:5-6

    5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

    6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Rev 1:5-6

    5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

    6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

    John writing to the Church listed a few things here that Christ did for His Church, His Bride !

    First it is written that He Loved them ! Paul writes of the same Church Eph 5:25

    25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

    26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

    John writes following that He Loved the Church, that He washed them with His own Blood !

    And of course Paul says the same thing in Eph 5:26 following that He Loved the Church, that He may, sanctify it, and cleanse it !

    That John and Paul are teaching the same thing is seen by the word wash they both use.

    Now John uses the word louō which means:


    to bathe, wash

    a) of a dead person

    b) washing to cleanse blood out of wounds

    Now Paul uses the word for washing in vs 26 loutron:


    bathing, bath, the act of bathing

    Pretty much the same word, in fact it is derived from the same word John used in Rev 1:5

    And Also He made them a Kings and Priests unto God !

    How did He do that ? By New Birth into His Kingdom, through causing them to be born again through His resurrection from the dead 1 Pet 1:3

    3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    This translates them into His Kingdom Col 1:13

    13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

    Hence they are made Kings and Priest unto God ! This Peter affirms 1 Pet 2:9

    9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

    Remember Peter had wrote of this Royal Priesthood that they had been what in 1 Pet 1:3

    3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    All this was done by Christ's death, burial, and resurrection for His Church, that He Loved. The freewill of man had nothing to do with this, it was all by Christ's redemptive blood, and so as John writes Rev 1:6b

    to him [Christ] be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

    TY Brother! Excellent illustration of how we come to Truth by comparing scripture with scripture 1 Cor. 2:13 !

    Christ's Church is exclusive to the World that was given Him of the Father to be Holy and Blameless before Him In Love from everlasting Eph. 1:4; whom He Loved and Washed in His Own Blood Acts 20:28, making them kings and priests unto God Rev. 1:5-6. They are exactly the same ones God Loved and gave His only begotten Son for John 3:16, and the same ones Christ's Death, Burial and Resurrection was in behalf of exclusively 1 Cor. 15:3-4. And it's His Resurrection from the dead which ensures their Spiritual Resurrection from spiritual death.


    1 Pet. 1:3-5

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

    5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.


    Every person Christ died for received a New Birth at His Resurrection 1 Pet. 1:3 and shall be born again John 3:3-5 in Time !
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    Every person Christ died for received a New Birth at His Resurrection 1 Pet. 1:3 and shall be born again John 3:3-5 in Time !
    Of a Truth !
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    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Prov 11:4

    Riches profit not in the day of wrath: but righteousness delivereth from death.

    Everyone Christ died for, was made sin for, was made the Righteousness of God in Him 2 Cor 5:21

    21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    All those God imputed their sins to Christ, He in like fashion imputed His Righteousness unto them. By The Obedience of One, many shall be made Righteous. Rom 5:19, The Obedience spoken of in that verse, is that obedience to the Cross unto death of those He had their sins Imputed to Him !

    Christ's Righteousness imputed demands Life ! Righteousness demands Life, just as sin demanded death, Righteousness imputed demands life.

    That Christ's death delivers from death those He Loved and died for, is manifested by their New Birth, or some may call it regeneration or quckening Eph 2:5

    5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

    That word quickened is the greek word syzōopoieō and means:


    to make one alive together

    a) of Christians, with Christ

    Col 2:13

    13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

    Yes, All for whom Christ died must be and are made alive together with Him. No this was not because they repented, or had faith or any performance of theirs, because they were dead ! Read Eph 2:5 again ! The quickening took place while we were dead in sin !

    Folks it is impossible for any Christ died for to remain in spiritual death experimentally or else His Death did not do it's Job, it was not effectual. It was not even as effectual as adam's act of disobedience was, which caused all for whom He represented to experience spiritual death; But Christ's Death, His act of Righteousness brings Life Rom 5:18

    Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

    Thats the Life of Eph 2:5, that quickening together with Christ ! That Life is also called a Resurrection or a Living Jn 5:25

    25Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

    It takes a miracle for the dead to hear ! However being quickened or made alive with Christ through His Resurrection from the dead effects the New Birth of everyone Christ died and rose for 1 Pet 1:3

    3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    All of this occurs to each and Every Child of Grace because Christ's Righteousness delivers from Death ! Amen to the Glory of God !

    Hallelujah !
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    It takes a miracle for the dead to hear ! However being quickened or made alive with Christ through His Resurrection from the dead effects the New Birth of everyone Christ died and rose for 1 Pet 1:3

    3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    The First resurrection from the Dead is the Lord Jesus Christ. The firstbegotten from the dead Col 1:18

    And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

    Rev 1:5

    5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

    Both of these scriptures speak to the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the Dead !

    Now Peter says by that Resurrection, those Christ died for, were begotten again unto a lively Hope !

    That's because they were quickened together with Him Eph 2:5-6

    Now that is what John means in the Revelation 20:6

    Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    The first resurrection was Christ's Col 1:18; Rev 1:5 and those who were quickened together with Him, had part in the First Resurrection !

    Blessed and Holy are those who took part of that Resurrection, for the second death has no power over them !

    Amen Brother !

    Those for whom Christ died and rose again for in the First Resurrection Col. 2:13, His Body the Church, Chosen In Union with Him from Everlasting Eph. 1:4-5; we are Blessed to be reigning with Him, Christ our Head, even now Rev. 20:6; Eph. 2:6, and also afterward at His Second Coming.

    1 Pet. 2:5
    Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

    1 Pet. 2:9
    But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

    Rev. 1:5-6
    5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
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