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    Quote Originally Posted by meshak View Post
    You are the evasion, you are evading all responsibilities that Jesus gave to His followers and adoring yourselves, daily.

    You are spreading lazy faith to the world. shame on you.

    Jesus did not dye on the cross so you dont have to do anything.
    More Evasion and rabbit trail
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    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    More Evasion and rabbit trail
    suit yourself in delusional faith and adoring yourselves.

    good day.
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    All the Elect, those Christ died for are free from sin and it's power to condemn them Rom 8:33-34

    33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

    34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

    The Elect before the bar of God's Justice are Justified, because it is Christ that died. That is Christ died as being condemned in their place and stead. In fact the legal condemnation that they did incur in Adam Rom 5:16-18

    16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

    17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

    18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

    Their condemnation, a real condemnation was not imputed to them, was not laid to their charge 2 Cor 5:19, but was actually laid to the Charge of Christ their Head and Represenative ! Yes, in and of thmselves they are condemned and guillty and sinful, but legally God had made a Covenant with their Surety before the foundation to charge Him with their awful crimes ! Christ could say of the sins of the elect imputed to Him Ps 69:5

    5O God, thou knowest my foolishness; and my sins are not hid from thee.

    So because of Christ, sin cannot condemn any for whom Christ did die for, His Elect, so they are dead to sin that way as well !

    It can never be imputed to them, because it was once and for all imputed to Christ, and He bear them away Jn 1:29 Dan 9:24

    Amen !

    God's Elect Rom. 8:33-34 stand completely vindicated, sinless in God's sight !

    Ps. 103:12
    As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

    Rom. 8:1
    There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.


    Christ as designated Surety Heb. 7:22 by God the Father in the Everlasting Covenant of Grace, took upon Himself the sins / iniquity of all God's Elect; the Members of His Body, Chosen in Him of the Father to have forgiveness of sins Eph. 1:4-7; His Sheep Heb. 13:20 He laid down His Life for John 10:11, 15.


    Is. 53:5-6

    5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

    6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Rev 1:5-6

    5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

    6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

    John writing to the Church listed a few things here that Christ did for His Church, His Bride !

    First it is written that He Loved them ! Paul writes of the same Church Eph 5:25

    25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

    26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

    John writes following that He Loved the Church, that He washed them with His own Blood !

    And of course Paul says the same thing in Eph 5:26 following that He Loved the Church, that He may, sanctify it, and cleanse it !

    That John and Paul are teaching the same thing is seen by the word wash they both use.

    Now John uses the word louō which means:


    to bathe, wash

    a) of a dead person

    b) washing to cleanse blood out of wounds

    Now Paul uses the word for washing in vs 26 loutron:


    bathing, bath, the act of bathing

    Pretty much the same word, in fact it is derived from the same word John used in Rev 1:5

    And Also He made them a Kings and Priests unto God !

    How did He do that ? By New Birth into His Kingdom, through causing them to be born again through His resurrection from the dead 1 Pet 1:3

    3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    This translates them into His Kingdom Col 1:13

    13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

    Hence they are made Kings and Priest unto God ! This Peter affirms 1 Pet 2:9

    9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

    Remember Peter had wrote of this Royal Priesthood that they had been what in 1 Pet 1:3

    3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    All this was done by Christ's death, burial, and resurrection for His Church, that He Loved. The freewill of man had nothing to do with this, it was all by Christ's redemptive blood, and so as John writes Rev 1:6b

    to him [Christ] be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

    TY Brother! Excellent illustration of how we come to Truth by comparing scripture with scripture 1 Cor. 2:13 !

    Christ's Church is exclusive to the World that was given Him of the Father to be Holy and Blameless before Him In Love from everlasting Eph. 1:4; whom He Loved and Washed in His Own Blood Acts 20:28, making them kings and priests unto God Rev. 1:5-6. They are exactly the same ones God Loved and gave His only begotten Son for John 3:16, and the same ones Christ's Death, Burial and Resurrection was in behalf of exclusively 1 Cor. 15:3-4. And it's His Resurrection from the dead which ensures their Spiritual Resurrection from spiritual death.


    1 Pet. 1:3-5

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

    5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.


    Every person Christ died for received a New Birth at His Resurrection 1 Pet. 1:3 and shall be born again John 3:3-5 in Time !
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    Nanja

    Every person Christ died for received a New Birth at His Resurrection 1 Pet. 1:3 and shall be born again John 3:3-5 in Time !
    Of a Truth !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Prov 11:4

    Riches profit not in the day of wrath: but righteousness delivereth from death.

    Everyone Christ died for, was made sin for, was made the Righteousness of God in Him 2 Cor 5:21

    21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    All those God imputed their sins to Christ, He in like fashion imputed His Righteousness unto them. By The Obedience of One, many shall be made Righteous. Rom 5:19, The Obedience spoken of in that verse, is that obedience to the Cross unto death of those He had their sins Imputed to Him !

    Christ's Righteousness imputed demands Life ! Righteousness demands Life, just as sin demanded death, Righteousness imputed demands life.

    That Christ's death delivers from death those He Loved and died for, is manifested by their New Birth, or some may call it regeneration or quckening Eph 2:5

    5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved )

    That word quickened is the greek word syzōopoieō and means:


    to make one alive together

    a) of Christians, with Christ

    Col 2:13

    13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

    Yes, All for whom Christ died must be and are made alive together with Him. No this was not because they repented, or had faith or any performance of theirs, because they were dead ! Read Eph 2:5 again ! The quickening took place while we were dead in sin !

    Folks it is impossible for any Christ died for to remain in spiritual death experimentally or else His Death did not do it's Job, it was not effectual. It was not even as effectual as adam's act of disobedience was, which caused all for whom He represented to experience spiritual death; But Christ's Death, His act of Righteousness brings Life Rom 5:18

    Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

    Thats the Life of Eph 2:5, that quickening together with Christ ! That Life is also called a Resurrection or a Living Jn 5:25

    25Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

    It takes a miracle for the dead to hear ! However being quickened or made alive with Christ through His Resurrection from the dead effects the New Birth of everyone Christ died and rose for 1 Pet 1:3

    3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    All of this occurs to each and Every Child of Grace because Christ's Righteousness delivers from Death ! Amen to the Glory of God !

    Hallelujah !
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    It takes a miracle for the dead to hear ! However being quickened or made alive with Christ through His Resurrection from the dead effects the New Birth of everyone Christ died and rose for 1 Pet 1:3

    3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    The First resurrection from the Dead is the Lord Jesus Christ. The firstbegotten from the dead Col 1:18

    And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

    Rev 1:5

    5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

    Both of these scriptures speak to the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the Dead !

    Now Peter says by that Resurrection, those Christ died for, were begotten again unto a lively Hope !

    That's because they were quickened together with Him Eph 2:5-6

    Now that is what John means in the Revelation 20:6

    Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    The first resurrection was Christ's Col 1:18; Rev 1:5 and those who were quickened together with Him, had part in the First Resurrection !

    Blessed and Holy are those who took part of that Resurrection, for the second death has no power over them !

    Amen Brother !

    Those for whom Christ died and rose again for in the First Resurrection Col. 2:13, His Body the Church, Chosen In Union with Him from Everlasting Eph. 1:4-5; we are Blessed to be reigning with Him, Christ our Head, even now Rev. 20:6; Eph. 2:6, and also afterward at His Second Coming.

    1 Pet. 2:5
    Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

    1 Pet. 2:9
    But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

    Rev. 1:5-6
    5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
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    The atonement is a theory born out of ignorance that Jesus taught salvation by faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    All those Jesus Christ died for are by His Death made Righteous Rom 5:19, first and foremost before God, and this is their Justification, this is True because Paul states before, in regards to all for whom He died, that He was delivered on account of our sins or Transgressions, this was because they had been charged to Him 1 Cor 15:3

    3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for [for the sake of] our sins according to the scriptures; 2 Cor 5:21

    21For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    Note: In order for Christ to have died for sin, the sins had to be charged to Him !

    And He was raised again on account of our Justification, because their Justification was an accomplished Fact Rom 4:25

    25Who was delivered for [on account of]our offences, and was raised again for[on account of] our justification.

    Now if Christ died and rose again for an Individual in 33 ad, and this individual or individuals were not physically born sinners until 1960ad, this sinner or sinners are born already Justified, unless we undo the accomplished fact that the resurrection of Christ verified ! If all for whom Christ died for the sake of, had not been Justified or made Righteous before God, by His obedience unto Death [Phil 2:8], then He could not have or would not have been raised from the dead, and all for whom He did die would still be in their sins ! 1 Cor 15:17. You see the resurrection took place as a consequence of the Justification of all Christ died for, in the same manner, His death occurred as a consequence of the sins of all He died for. The Resurrection proved that God had been fully satisfied and propitiated, and all our sins forgiven, at the Blood of Christ !

    Amen Brother, Christ's Resurrection proves that all those the Father had given to Christ to die for on account of their sins John 17:2 [the Election of Grace], that He has been fully propitiated on their behalf, His wrath appeased; and they all stand Justified by Christ's Blood alone Rom. 5:9; declared Righteous on account of His Resurrection from the dead, even while they are being His enemies and unbelievers Rom. 5:10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Jn 6:37-40

    37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

    38For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

    39And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

    The christ of antichrist religions will loose many he intended to save ! The anti christ jesus died to save millions, and yet the gates of hell prevailed against them, and they shall here these words in the day of Judgment Matt 7:23

    23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Their iniquities as we can read here were held against them in the day of Judgment ! This in spite of the fact that supposedly their iniquities were charged to him Isa 53:6

    6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

    The word laid here is the hebrew word paga` and means:


    to encounter, meet, reach, entreat, make intercession

    a) (Qal)

    1) to meet, light upon, join

    2) to meet (of kindness)

    3) to encounter, fall upon (of hostility)

    4) to encounter, entreat (of request)

    5) to strike, touch (of boundary)

    The idea here is that God caused our iniquities to fall upn Him !

    The NASB: All of us like sheep have gone astray, Each of us has turned to his own way; But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all To fall on Him.

    God caused our Punishment to meet upon Him for our iniquities !

    However the anti christ ministers says many, millions for whom this occurred, shall here yet the dreadful words from Christ mouth Matt 7:23

    That means they were lost, they perished. Now the Christ that I know and Preach of, did not Loose any, none for whom He died shall Perish.

    He can always boast Jn 17:12

    While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

    Jn 18:9

    That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.

    Jesus gave one exception, the son of perdition, however none that He died for can go into perdition. Only those whose names that were not written in the book of life from the foundation shall meet with such an end Rev 17:8

    8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

    You see, all those whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation, shall follow and worship the beast of perdition Rev 13:8

    8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    None for whom Christ died shall go into perdition, or be lost, but every last one of them shall hear these words from their Saviour King Matt 25:34

    34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

    You know why Jesus said the Kingdom was prepared for them from the foundation of the world, before they even had being ? Because that's when their names were written in the book of Life, from the foundation of the world ! They are the antithesis of these Rev 13:8

    8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. or Rev 17:8

    8The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

    What caused them to differ ? God's Eternal Elective Love, that's it. What Christ do you follow today ? The one that millions for whom he died shall shall still go into perdition, be lost, or the One that None for whom He died shall be Lost ?

    None for whom Christ died [His Sheep] can possibly be Lost per Jesus' own Words:

    John 18:9
    That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.

    John 10:27-28
    27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

    John 17:23
    I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

    We know that God Loved them from the foundation of the world Eph. 1:4-5.

    Mat. 25:34
    Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:


    On the other hand there are those God did not love [the goats] that were chosen to eternal damnation Mat. 25:41; Jude 1:4 from the foundation. To the God will say:

    Mat. 7:23
    And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Mat. 25:41
    Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


    Rev. 22:11
    He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Another accomplishment of the Death of Christ for all whom He died, He has taken away their sins, forever !

    John the Baptist had it right when he stated this fact Jn 1:29

    29The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

    The world here cannot mean every single person in the world without exception, because Jesus makes it clear that some shall die in their sins John 8:24

    I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

    If they had sins they could die in, then Christ did not take them away as the lamb of God, simple as that !

    But world here identifies the scope of which those whose sins have been taken away are word wide, bot jew and gentile !

    And Christ bare them away, removed them as far as the east is from the west as David said Ps 103:12

    12As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

    The word removed is the hebrew word rachaq:

    to be or become far, be or become distant, be removed, go far away

    a) (Qal) to be far, be distant

    b) (Piel) to send far away, extend

    c) (Hiphil)

    1) to make or exhibit distance, be gone far

    2) to remove, put far away

    2) (Niphal) loose



    The Ideal is like that of the scapegoat on the Day of Atonement, observe Lev 16:21-22

    21And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

    22And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.

    But as you can see, the type here pertained to only ethnic jews of Israel who were Nationally a Chosen People, but John makes it clear that the Antitype, Christ, He took away the sins of people all over the world, the gentiles also !

    Now other scriptures that prove that those Christ died for, it was for the purpose of taking away their sins 1 Jn 3:5

    5And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

    1 Jn 4:10

    10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. or to take away our sins by appeasing Divine Law and Justice on our Behalf !

    Daniel prophesying of this Great work accomplished by Christ for His People states it Like this Dan 9:24

    24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

    Daniel here is really saying the same thing as John in Jn 1:29.

    So none for whom Christ died has one sin to be punished for, not even unbelief, which is a one of the many sins Christ made an end of !

    Amen ! The Lamb of God taketh away the sins of the World of God's Elect Rom. 8:33, or His Sheep John 10:11, 15; or His Church Eph. 5:25; the same are also the Israel of God Is 45:17.

    But many others were made to be taken and destroyed 2 Pet. 2:12; vessels of God's Wrath Rom. 9:22; foreordained to be condemned Jude 1:4 !
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    To teach that Christ's Death only made redemption from all iniquity, for those He died, merely possible for everyone without exception, is Antichrist, for its against, opposed to the real Truth of what Christ actually accomplished and effected for all for whom He died. He actually did redeem them from all iniquity. The word from see Titus 2:14 is the greek word apo and means:


    of separation

    a) of local separation, after verbs of motion from a place i.e. of departing, of fleeing, ...

    b) of separation of a part from the whole

    1) where of a whole some part is taken

    c) of any kind of separation of one thing from another by which the union or fellowship of the two is destroyed

    His Death separates them He died for from iniquity of which the rest of the world lies in see 1 Jn 5:19

    He destroys their union with the world, flesh and the devil !

    He as Peter proclaims redeems them from a vain conversation, or manner of life 1 Pet 1 Pet 1:18-21

    18Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from [ek away from] your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

    19But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

    20Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

    21Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

    He redeems them from unbelief or being unbelievers, unto Faith in God 1 Pet 1:21 " that your faith and hope might be in God"

    His resurrection, from His redemptive death, for all whom He died and redeemed, was for the purpose of causing them to have Faith and Hope in God, which confirms what he wrote earlier in the letter 1 Pet 1:3

    3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

    His Resurrection from the dead caused them to be born again to a Living Hope, the same Hope of 1 Pet 1:21. This Lively Hope is also Faith, translated so in Heb 10:23

    23Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised )

    As you can see, this Hope or Faith is a redemptive benefit, coming out of the Resurrection of Christ from the Dead, those who deny this, preach a false Gospel, and deny Redemption by His Blood .

    Yes, false religion denies the Power of the Resurrection of Christ by teaching that this Lively Hope or Faith 1 Pet. 1:3, 21 is merely a product of the natural man's work of believing / faith.


    2 Pet. 1:1
    Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

    This Precious Faith all God's Elect receive in New Birth / New Life Titus 1:1; Gal. 5:22 is the evidence of their being Redeemed by His Blood and raised together with Christ Col. 2:13 in His Resurrection from the dead Eph. 2:4-6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    The Lord Jesus Christ, the God Man, accomplished this also for those He died for, He took away their sins for it is written 1Jn 3:5

    5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

    Jn 1:29

    29The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

    Dan 9:24

    24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

    They shall be no more Jer says Jer 50:20

    In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve. Which is the Election of Grace !

    Now this Taking away of Sin is also called propitiation. The sins, iniquities, transgressions of all for whom Christ died for have been taken out the way, having been nailed to His Cross, He in their behalf has satisfied all of God's law and Justice, for all their sins, past, present, and future, so that their sins are gone , that is propitiation 1 Jn 2:2

    2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

    1 Jn 4:10

    10Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

    by this, those God Loved, He took away their sins, that is the punishment they should have suffered for them !

    So here is the question ! Did Christ by His Death actually put away sin [propitiate] of all those He died for, or did He only make it possible for them to be put away ? Those who follow False Teaching and a False Gospel teach that Christ's Death only possibly, contingently put away all the sins of all those Christ died for, for they teach many that Christ died for, shall still die in their sins because they did not perform a condition, and so the sins of theirs that had been taken away and forgiven by the blood of Christ were given back to them, so that God can satisfy again His Law and Justice, but this time on them, God forgetting about He punished them once already in Christ. Now of course we know this is false teaching because it makes God Unjust to Christ, who He already Punished and it makes Him Mutable and subject to change, which is a false concept of the True God, for He tells His Chosen Remnant Mal 3:6

    For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

    Its a done deal, regardless of the antichrist ministers, all those whom Christ died for, He put away their sins forever..


    Amen Brother ! Excellent Teaching in the scriptures !
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Jn 12:32

    32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

    33This he said, signifying what death he should die.

    Matt 26:28

    For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

    The Death of the True Lord Jesus Christ guarantees, for all whom He died and rose again, both Repentance and Remission of their sins. His Resurrection not only gave evidence of their Justification before God Rom 4:25

    25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

    But it also ensures their repentance and remission or forgiveness of sin Acts 5:31

    31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

    He is not your Saviour if He has not given you Repentance ! He is the Resurrected, Exalted, Prince and Saviour, To give [ apply or communicate] Repentance and forgiveness of sins to all for whom He died, which is restricted to a elect people that is called Israel. Every sinner that Truly Repents only gives evidence of Christ's Exaltation and He being their Saviour. Their repentance gives occasion for Joy in Heaven Lk 15:7,10

    7I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

    10Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

    This is Christ's Joy in seeing the successful accomplishment and results of His suffering and Death for all He substituted for Heb 12:2

    2Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

    In other words, every time a sinner repents, its a credit to Christ's Cross Work on their Behalf , and He gets Joy from it , full satisfaction, Isa 53:11

    11He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

    The English word Joy means:

    the emotion of great delight or happiness caused by something exceptionally good or satisfying

    His Joy is that satisfaction He See's in what all His Hard Work accomplished for them He suffered and died for, it brought them back to God , which was the Design of His Death anyway:

    1 Pet 3:18

    18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

    He was Successful !

    Amen ! Christ Successfully brings back to God all His Lost Sons 1 Pet. 3:18; Eph. 1:4-5 which were the objective of His Death, and which guarantees their Repentance and Remission of sins Acts 5:31. His Joy is exclusively for every one of them [His Sons] He tasted death for Heb. 2:9 and no others.

    Heb. 2:10
    For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
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    The Antichrist is a failure, However the True Christ made a Promise per Jn 12:24-33

    24Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

    25He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

    26If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

    27Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.

    28Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.

    29The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.

    30Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.

    31Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

    32And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

    33This he said, signifying what death he should die.

    In verse 24 Christ was identifying Himself as that corn of wheat, that was about to die. We now this because of vs 33

    Now He says, if that corn of wheat shall die, again speaking of His Death that He is to die, He says it brings forth much fruit !

    What is Fruit in this context ? Is it apples and oranges ? No its not, the word fruit here is the greek word karpos and means:


    fruit

    a) the fruit of the trees, vines, of the fields

    b) the fruit of one's loins, i.e. his progeny, his posterity

    Jesus meaning is His Progeny, or Offspring [Spiritually of course], His Posterity, shall be brought forth if He dies.

    The word bring forth [pherō] means to produce, Jesus is saying that out of His death He shall produce Life, a posterity.

    The word fruit also means:

    that which originates or comes from something, an effect, result

    Christ's Death will produce an effect, results, it will bring forth an Offspring, Life, and this Offspring will serve Him. Remember the psalmist speaks of a Offspring that shall serve Him Ps 22:30

    30A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.

    Jesus talks about those that serve Him in Jn 12:26

    26If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

    Jesus is alluding to the Effects of His Death as the corn of wheat, it will produce a Offspring, a progeny that SHALL SERVE HIM Per Ps 22:30

    And it is this Offspring that Jesus means in Jn 12:32. The all here that shall be drawn to Him because of His Being Lifted up or as vs 24 states it, fall into the ground and die, they all shall come to Him to Serve Him..Their coming is denoting their conversion to Him, this is the Success that He promised out of His Death.

    His Death actually gives Life[Spiritual] to the World Jn 6:33

    33For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

    This of course is the World of His Seed !



    Amen, the only World God Loves John 3:16, the Fruit brought forth as the result of Christ's Death, is The Chosen Seed Eph. 1:4; Is. 41:8 He sees as spoken of in Is. 53:10:

    Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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