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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    And as you have previously pointed out to me, that word purge in Heb. 9:14 is the same Greek word, katharizō for the word purify in Titus 2:14.
    Dear Nanja: there may be hope for you! And the meaning of katharizō is?

    The Answer=

    To render i.e to fit, sound, complete.

    To mend (what has been broken or rent) to repair.

    To repair what has been broken or rent.

    To complete.

    To fit out, equip, put in order, arrange, adjust.

    To fit or frame for one's self.

    To prepare for one's self.

    To strengthen, perfect, complete, make one what he ought to be.

    To make one what he aught to be

    Could it be possible the hilasmos of the holos will actually make the broken wrecks of Adam1 what they aught to be?

    YES>>>>>>>YES>>>>>>>YES!

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Many in false religion deny the life giving effects f Christ's Death, unto all for whom He died. For simply put, He died in order for them to live unto God ! 2 Cor 5:14-15

    14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

    15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

    Here we have a Truth given that Christ died for all, that He died for, gave His life for Eph 5:25, but what is seriously neglected, is that by His Death for all, its concluded, that all died with Him, meaning, that in His Death for them, God legally declares that they have died too n His Death. Now understand this, its this Truth that exposes the false teaching of those who say that Christ's Death was merely a sacrifice for sin, for that is only a half truth, but not only was it that, it was also substitutionary,vicarious, in that in Him, all for whom He died, died as a result of God's law and Justice against their sins, being now satisfied against their persons, as it was satisfied in His Person. Its like saying that through Him, they have all personally paid the penalty of all their sins, past, present and future, and now its nothing left for them but to be given a New Life, to start afresh, which New Life is granted by New Birth, becoming a New Creation, so it comes into fruition as to the purpose Christ died for them, that they may live [spiritually] not unto themselves, but for Him that for their sakes, and in their stead, died and was raised.Its by this Resurrection they are begotten again unto a New Life. 1 Pet 1:3. The word begotten again in the original is anagennao and means:


    to produce again, be born again, born anew

    2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

    This New Life is Granted because that old life of sin against God's law and Justice is dead, and so Paul writes here Rom 7:4

    4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

    They have died to the Law by the Body of Christ [His Vicarious Death],to the same thing in 2 Cor 5:14, that they should be married to another [The Son of God] or not to live unto themselves, but unto Him which died for them and rose again !

    Peter also writes to the purport as the result of His Death 1 Pet 2:24

    24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness[ By a New Life]: by whose stripes ye were healed.

    Christ's Death accomplished this New Life for all whom He died, it makes them alive to God.

    Rom 6:11


    Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    **** God Bless You Richly Brother !
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Heb 13:12

    12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

    All for whom Christ died, by it [ His Death] it was to provide a inward sanctification as well, not only are they sanctified in the Divine Purpose of God as was Jeremiah 1:5

    5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

    BTW this sanctification applies to all the foreknown People of God Rom 11:2; Rom 8:29, but His Death communicates an inward sanctification which is consistent with the sanctification in His Purpose, hence by His Blood / Death, all for whom He died has their conscious purposed from dead works, to serve the Living God Heb 9:14

    14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

    Notice what the Blood of Christ is said to do, to purge our conscience. The word purge is the word καθαρίζω and means:


    I cleanse, make clean, literally, ceremonially, or spiritually, according to context.

    And the word conscience suneidésis:

    the conscience, a persisting notion.

    properly, joint-knowing, i.e. conscience which joins moral and spiritual consciousness as part of being created in the divine image. Accordingly, all people have this God-given capacity to know right from wrong because each is a free moral agent

    The conscience is part of the inward man, and the blood of Christ is said to cleanse it.

    Cleanse it from what ? Dead Works ! What are Dead Works ? Religious works performed by dead men, dead spiritually ! Its religion without God given Faith. Its not worshiping God in Spirit and in Truth as Per Jn 4:23-24

    23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

    24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

    Well, Christ's Blood provides God with those type of worshippers that God the Father seeketh such to Worship Him !

    The Blood of Christ sets apart God's People experientially, from dead men religion which is Idolatry. It redeems them from a vain religious life received by tradition of our fathers 1 Pet 1:18-19

    18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

    19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

    Thats dead works also of Heb 9:14 this vain[devoid of truth] conversation received by tradition.

    Now understand this, if each person for whom Christ died, shed His Blood, does not experience this conversion, this Sanctification from dead works, unto serving [worship] of the True and Living God, then His Blood has lost its Value and Purpose, it has miserably failed the Divine Purpose !

    But I know that it will, to the Glory of God !

    Amen, Most Assuredly !
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    Every sinner Christ died for is saved , even from their mothers womb, from the penalty of death for their sins, because Christ for them has already paid their deserved and merited penalty, which is also remission of sins. See the wages of sin is death Rom 6:23

    23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    But Christ has for everyone He died, has totally abolished that wage of death[ 2 Tim 1:10], the only alternative for them now is eternal life through Christ their Lord.

    Christ by His own Blood, obtained eternal redemption for everyone He died for Heb 9:12

    Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

    The word redemption here is the greek word lytrōsis and means:


    1. a ransoming, redemption
    2. deliverance, esp. from the penalty of sin [which is death Rom 6:23]

      Now with this in mind, if anyone is teaching or believing that anyone Christ died for can be lost, they are teaching and believing a false gospel contrary to the redemptive and saving efficacy of the death of Christ !
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Every sinner Christ died for is saved , even from their mothers womb, from the penalty of death for their sins, because Christ for them has already paid their deserved and merited penalty, which is also remission of sins. See the wages of sin is death Rom 6:23

    23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

    But Christ has for everyone He died, has totally abolished that wage of death[ 2 Tim 1:10], the only alternative for them now is eternal life through Christ their Lord.

    Christ by His own Blood, obtained eternal redemption for everyone He died for Heb 9:12

    Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

    The word redemption here is the greek word lytrōsis and means:


    1. a ransoming, redemption
    2. deliverance, esp. from the penalty of sin [which is death Rom 6:23]

      Now with this in mind, if anyone is teaching or believing that anyone Christ died for can be lost, they are teaching and believing a false gospel contrary to the redemptive and saving efficacy of the death of Christ !

    Exactly, they would be teaching or believing a perversion of the Gospel Paul warned about Gal. 1:8-9; meaning those whom Christ was punished for their sins, could yet bear the punishment for their own sins in the second death Rev. 21:8 !
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    All sinners Christ died for become believers because they are His Spiritual offspring. Isa 53:10

    10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

    This scripture is about the Lord Jesus Christ, and the phrase "
    when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin" Speaks of His Death, being made sin [ a sin offering 2 Cor 5:21] and the second phrase " he shall see his seed", speaks of his spiritual offspring as a result of his soul for them, being made an offering for sin.

    Now Jesus speaks of this same blessed truth in Jn 12:24

    24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

    Christ here is the corn of wheat that will fall into the ground and die [speaking of his soul being made a offering for sin] and if he die, the result is [his dying] bringeth forth fruit, which equates to he shall see his seed. Now the word seed in Isa 53:10 is the word
    zera and means:

    offspring, descendants, posterity, children and it also means : fruit

    Now the word fruit is Jn 12:24 is the grk word
    karpos and means:

    the fruit of one's loins, i.e. his progeny, his posterity

    And Jn 12:24 gives a definite statement as to what will occur if the corn of wheat die, it bringeth forth or produce much fruit.

    So a spiritual seed for Christ is promised as a result, effect of His dying !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    All sinners Christ died for become believers because they are His Spiritual offspring. Isa 53:10

    10 [FONT="]Yet it pleased the [/FONT][FONT="]Lord[/FONT][FONT="] to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the [/FONT][FONT="]Lord[/FONT][FONT="] shall prosper in his hand.

    This scripture is about the Lord Jesus Christ, and the phrase "[/FONT]
    when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin" Speaks of His Death, being made sin [ a sin offering 2 Cor 5:21] and the second phrase " he shall see his seed", speaks of his spiritual offspring as a result of his soul for them, being made an offering for sin.

    Now Jesus speaks of this same blessed truth in Jn 12:24

    24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

    Christ here is the corn of wheat that will fall into the ground and die [speaking of his soul being made a offering for sin] and if he die, the result is [his dying] bringeth forth fruit, which equates to he shall see his seed. Now the word seed in Isa 53:10 is the word
    zera and means:

    offspring, descendants, posterity, children and it also means : fruit

    Now the word fruit is Jn 12:24 is the grk word
    karpos and means:

    the fruit of one's loins, i.e. his progeny, his posterity

    And Jn 12:24 gives a definite statement as to what will occur if the corn of wheat die, it bringeth forth or produce much fruit.

    So a spiritual seed for Christ is promised as a result, effect of His dying !

    Since before the foundation, it was never God's Purpose to charge the World of His Chosen Elect Sons / Children for their sins Eph. 1:4-7, but to impute them to Christ Jesus instead, as being His sins 2 Cor. 5:21; Rom. 4:7-8. And it is all these sinners exclusively which comprise the People of Faith [True Believers], the Seed He shall see Is. 53:10; the Seed of Abraham Gal. 3:29; Gal. 3:16 which is evidenced by their Faith Gal. 3:7, a Fruit of New Birth Gal. 5:22; the same ones are the "much fruit" Christ's Death yields John 12:24.
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    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    All for whom Christ died and rose again, they are already made alive with Him, being made alive together with Him their Head, even though they in themselves are sinners and His enemies by nature. That this is so is taught here Eph 2:6

    6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

    The word raised here is the greek verb synegeirō:

    to raise together, to cause to raise together

    2) to raise up together from mortal death to a new and blessed life dedicated to God

    Now this is True of all for whom Christ died for and rose again in God's Perspective !

    This was also stated in the OT in type here Isa 26:19


    19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

    Hos 6:2

    2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

    This speaks of those that Christ died for and arose the Third day. 1 Cor 15:3-4

    3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

    4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

    For instance, when Saul, who is now Paul, when he was going about persecuting Believers and consenting to their death, he was already, raised up together with Christ and sitting in heavenly places with Him ! This is True of all those Christ died for while in a state of Nature. This is Grace untold, and a Truth like this cannot be received by the natural man, its foolishness to him.

    Of a Truth !
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    2 Cor 5:14-15

    14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

    15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

    Since by the Death of Christ, all for whom He did die, they are delivered from the legal and judicial guilt of all their sins, as well as from the penalty of sin, Death. In light of this, His Death secured for them the effectual workings of the Spirit in them, as well as the giving of them spiritual life from spiritual death, for this is the Blessed effects of what Christ accomplished for them.

    All for whom He died have no sins charged against them because of Christ's Work, and also by it [His Work] they have been declared Just, so to them, for Christ's Work sake in their behalf, must be given Life by the Spirit, hence we have Justification to Life Rom 5:18

    18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

    Spiritual life flows[By the Spirit] to all whom Christ's Death Justified or made Just.

    This verse Rom 5:18 presents to view the Two main accomplishments and effects by the One Act of Righteousness by Jesus Christ, which denotes His Death, and these are : #1 Justification and #2 Life, which is spiritual life from the dead by the Spirit [Eph 2:5]

    If Spiritual Life or quickening from the Spirit is never in this life communicated to an individual, then rest assured that Christ did not do away by His Death of their sins before God's Law and Justice, and they still have an penalty of sin to answer for !

    Amen, because it means they were never Christ's Sheep He gave His Life for John 10:11, 15, so consequently they [goats Mat. 25:41] must pay the wages for their own sins Rom. 6:23a in the second death.

    Rev. 21:8
    But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    For whomever Christ did die for, the following is True of them no matter what, either before and after conversion, meaning before and after they become believers !

    First, its True that He indeed died for them, both in their stead as a substitute and on their behalf, or for their good 1 Pet 2:24

    24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins[By His Death for us], should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

    Secondly, For all whom He died, He also arose, because of their Justification Rom 4:25

    25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for[Because of] our justification.

    Many do celebrate easter , supposedly commemorating the Lords Resurrection, but very few understand the True significance of that Blessed Event, for it was the evidence that all for whom Christ was delivered for their offences, that they are now Justified before God ! Yes, even before they believe !

    Thirdly, For them, He sits on the Right Hand of God !

    Fourthly, He makes intercession for them, and all this is witnessed to by the Apostle here Rom 8:33-34

    33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

    34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again[For our Justification], who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

    This making Intercession, Isaiah wrote of the same Isa 53:12

    12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

    You see that ? He made Intercession, not for the believers, but for the transgressors, those He bare their the sins, the many ! Any Transgressor Christ makes Intercession for shall be saved by His Life, shall come to God by Him Heb 7:25

    25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

    Isaiah's here by prophecy is speaking of Christ's Priestly Work for those only that He Represented, the Israel of God, and this Work Justifies them before God or accounts them as Righteous, Yes even before they believe, because its not based upon their believing, but upon Christ bearing their sins !

    Notice how Isaiah under inspiration of the same Spirit as Paul, did link together, the bearing of sins, and the making of Intercession,m in either case this is Priestly Work done by Christ for those He died for before they believe !


    Amen to this Spiritually Edifying Teaching in the scriptures !
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    1 Pet 2:24

    24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

    And believers may testify to this because believing is but an evidence of healing or of being saved.

    Scripture is plain here that Salvation comes through Christ's death, or stripes or wounds.

    The word heal here in 1 Peter 2:24 is the greek word iaomai and means to:




    to cure, heal

    2) to make whole

    a) to free from errors and sins, to bring about (one's) salvation

    The healing here is not physical but of spiritual disease and because its the Lord, its a supernatural healing.

    In Isa 53:5 the word literally means that healing has come to us, its like what Paul says Rom 5:18, so spiritual healing is the free gift that comes to all whom Christ died !

    That healing means Salvation is implied here Jer 17:14

    14 Heal me, O Lord, and I shall be healed; save me, and I shall be saved: for thou art my praise.

    Also Christ's Death, Stripes or Wounds, for all those whose sins He bare 1 Pet 2:24

    "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree"

    His stripes shall heal their deadly wound of spiritual death brought upon them by sin Rev 13:3

    3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

    The principle being here that something that was considered dead, as all for whom Christ died are by nature Eph 2:5

    5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ[Healed], (by grace ye are saved or healed)

    Yes, Healing experimentally comes by quickening.

    Ecclesiastes 3:3

    3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

    Here healing appears to be the reversal of killing or putting to death !

    But by Christ's Death / Stripes those He died for are healed by sins death wound, for the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is healing from death !

    Notice 1 Peter 2:24

    24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

    The healing causes us to be able to Live unto Righteousness, for that was the end and purpose of the stripes, to produce fruit that would live unto God or unto Righteousness , which is to live by Faith, for it is written, the Just [or Righteous] shall live by Faith; So if any of us truly live by Faith, we have Christ's Stripes or Death to Thank for that, for a Life of Faith is by Him as that Gift of God Eph 2:8-9

    For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: His Death or Stripes is the Gift of God !

    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

    Also this is a serious indictment against all who deny that Christ's Death alone, in and of itself, is what saved those He died for !

    Indeed it is. For they who do so are antichrist !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    The Atonement saves those who accept Jesus Christ as Savior.
    All should acknowledge the fact that Christ suffered the wrath of God due to all men. That is where the language of the sufficiency of the death of Christ emerges from. Hence it follows that if God had willed to save the whole world, Christ would not have needed to suffer any more.

    Where the reformed tradition distinguishes itself is in the fact that it makes the atonement of Christ "definite," thereby necessitating that it be regarded as "particular" in the persons for whom it is intended.

    Christ did not merely suffer the wrath of God due to sinners of mankind, He actually substituted Himself in the place of a certain number of people, and satisfied divine justice (propitiated God's wrath) on behalf of that certain number of people (the believing ones), thus truly procuring for them forgiveness of sin and eternal salvation. This He did not do on behalf of all persons, else all would be saved, for the wrath of God would presumably be satisfied for all persons.

    We often see written—taking the word "sufficient" further than its original intent—that the atonement was sufficient for all, but efficient for some. The phrase leads to speculation without warrant. So we find folks speculating that, well, God could have saved everyone, etc., versus looking at exactly what God actually did, what Christ did and accomplished. This slippery slope leads to further speculation on the possibilities of the atonement versus its actualities.

    Unfortunately some evangelicals display a tendency toward universalism by claiming that Jesus died for everyone in the same way. This creates the unlikely possibility that all will be saved (known as the error of hypothetical universalism). Why? If God's wrath has been propitiated for all persons, the penalty for sin is paid for all persons. Anyone going to Hell is therefore making God guilty of punishing the same sins twice.

    The plain truth is that even if Christ died only for one single person, say, me (AMR), and I had committed but one single sin, His death must have been of infinite worth.

    Why?

    Because Christ's death must propitiate and expiate my sin before God, who is infinitely holy and whose holiness is infinite.

    The sin offering to be given to God is defined by the character of God. Since God is holy and AMR has sinned against an infinitely holy God, the sacrifice of the Mediator sent by God must be one that is infinitely given, an infinite sacrifice. What sort of Mediator can accomplish such a feat? Only one who is infinite, only one who is God—Jesus Christ, God incarnate.

    Thus we have in Christ's atonement an infinite sacrifice of infinite worth in satisfying the justice of God for those whom were given to Him...even if those given to our Lord was but a single individual sinner.

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    Atonement is human speculation. Voluntarily experiencing death was part of the incarnate requirements of the Son.

    There was a gospel before the cross, the gospel of The Kingdom of Heaven. That gospel offended the Jews, they killed him because of it. Had they accepted it they would be teaching it today and Jesus would have just left.

    The original Gospel of Jesus was largely lost and replaced by a gospel about Jesus as a human sacrifice, something that he didn't actually say or teach.

    People skip over the whole triumphant life of Christ and his religion about the Father.


    Real salvation is a change of heart if need be, and salvation by faith and the responsibility that comes with it.

    "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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