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    Lightbulb Forgiveness of sin...................

    11 John was delighted with his visit to Jerusalem. Matheno told him all about the service of the Jews; the meaning of their rites. 12 John could not understand how sin could be forgiven by killing animals and birds and burning them before the Lord. 13 Matheno said, The God of heaven and earth does not require sacrifice. This custom with its cruel rites was borrowed from the idol worshippers of other lands. 14 No sin was ever blotted out by sacrifice of animal, of bird, or man. 15 Sin is the rushing forth of man into fens of wickedness. If one would get away from sin he must retrace his steps, and find his way out of the fens of wickedness. 16 Return and purify your hearts by love and righteousness and you shall be forgiven. 17 This is the burden of the message that the harbinger shall bring to men. 18 What is forgiveness? John inquired. 19 Matheno said, It is the paying up of debts. A man who wrongs another man can never be forgiven until he rights the wrong. 20 The Vedas says that none can right the wrong but him who does the wrong. 21 John said, If this be true where is the power to forgive except the power that rests in man himself? Can man forgive himself? 22 Matheno said, The door is wide ajar; you see the way of man's return to right, and the forgiveness of his sins.
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    5. THE FIRST HUMAN BEINGS


    62:5.1 From the year A.D. 1934 back to the birth of the first two human beings is just 993,419 years.

    62:5.2 These two remarkable creatures were true human beings. They possessed perfect human thumbs, as had many of their ancestors, while they had just as perfect feet as the present-day human races. They were walkers and runners, not climbers; the grasping function of the big toe was absent, completely absent. When danger drove them to the treetops, they climbed just like the humans of today would. They would climb up the trunk of a tree like a bear and not as would a chimpanzee or a gorilla, swinging up by the branches.

    62:5.3 These first human beings (and their descendants) reached full maturity at twelve years of age and possessed a potential life span of about seventy-five years.

    62:5.4 Many new emotions early appeared in these human twins. They experienced admiration for both objects and other beings and exhibited considerable vanity. But the most remarkable advance in emotional development was the sudden appearance of a new group of really human feelings, the worshipful group, embracing awe, reverence, humility, and even a primitive form of gratitude. Fear, joined with ignorance of natural phenomena, is about to give birth to primitive religion.

    62:5.5 Not only were such human feelings manifested in these primitive humans, but many more highly evolved sentiments were also present in rudimentary form. They were mildly cognizant of pity, shame, and reproach and were acutely conscious of love, hate, and revenge, being also susceptible to marked feelings of jealousy.

    62:5.6 These first two humans—the twins—were a great trial to their Primates parents. They were so curious and adventurous that they nearly lost their lives on numerous occasions before they were eight years old. As it was, they were rather well scarred up by the time they were twelve.

    62:5.7 Very early they learned to engage in verbal communication; by the age of ten they had worked out an improved sign and word language of almost half a hundred ideas and had greatly improved and expanded the crude communicative technique of their ancestors. But try as hard as they might, they were able to teach only a few of their new signs and symbols to their parents.

    62:5.8 When about nine years of age, they journeyed off down the river one bright day and held a momentous conference. Every celestial intelligence stationed on Urantia, including myself, was present as an observer of the transactions of this noontide tryst. On this eventful day they arrived at an understanding to live with and for each other, and this was the first of a series of such agreements which finally culminated in the decision to flee from their inferior animal associates and to journey northward, little knowing that they were thus to found the human race.

    62:5.9 While we were all greatly concerned with what these two little savages were planning, we were powerless to control the working of their minds; we did not—could not—arbitrarily influence their decisions. But within the permissible limits of planetary function, we, the Life Carriers, together with our associates, all conspired to lead the human twins northward and far from their hairy and partially tree-dwelling people. And so, by reason of their own intelligent choice, the twins did migrate, and because of our supervision they migrated northward to a secluded region where they escaped the possibility of biologic degradation through admixture with their inferior relatives of the Primates tribes.

    62:5.10 Shortly before their departure from the home forests they lost their mother in a gibbon raid. While she did not possess their intelligence, she did have a worthy mammalian affection of a high order for her offspring, and she fearlessly gave her life in the attempt to save the wonderful pair. Nor was her sacrifice in vain, for she held off the enemy until the father arrived with reinforcements and put the invaders to rout.

    62:5.11 Soon after this young couple forsook their associates to found the human race, their Primates father became disconsolate—he was heartbroken. He refused to eat, even when food was brought to him by his other children. His brilliant offspring having been lost, life did not seem worth living among his ordinary fellows; so he wandered off into the forest, was set upon by hostile gibbons and beaten to death.



    "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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    Cool Human origins.......

    Hi Caino,.....The story of the first humans is indeed wonderful, - could you share if any archeological or fossil findings corroborate the UB account? - particularly the biologic procession of species-development and what branch man came from, related to the primates and lemurs

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    Hi Caino,.....The story of the first humans is indeed wonderful, - could you share if any archeological or fossil findings corroborate the UB account? - particularly the biologic procession of species-development and what branch man came from, related to the primates and lemurs
    Apart from the many variations of humanoid and prehumen types of bones that have been discovered, the "missing links" aren't there because evolution is marked by "sudden" mutations with some development stages within organisms.


    "Although the evolution of vegetable life can be traced into animal life, and though there have been found graduated series of plants and animals which progressively lead up from the most simple to the most complex and advanced organisms, you will not be able to find such connecting links between the great divisions of the animal kingdom nor between the highest of the prehuman animal types and the dawn men of the human races. These so-called "missing links" will forever remain missing, for the simple reason that they never existed." UB 1955

    "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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    Last edited by Caino; August 15th, 2016 at 05:30 AM.

    "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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    Cool Laniakea...........

    Adding to the video above......



    For those following, 'laniakea' is Hawaiian for 'immeasurable heaven',....beautiful isn't it ? Astronomers have given this name to the supercluster in which our own galaxy resides, as we develop better techniques and methods of mapping the universe.

    Laniakea: Our Home Supercluster

    Our Place in the Universe: Welcome to Laniakea

    I've followed just a few small discussions how this relates to the cosmology revealed in the UB, as to whether Laniakea is comparable to our superuniverse Orvonton (one of the 7 superuniverses), or represents a larger cluster of worlds that includes more within the scope of what we can measure at this time

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    Happy Birthday Jesus




    "All that night Mary was restless so that neither of them slept much. By the break of day the pangs of childbirth were well in evidence, and at noon, August 21, 7 B.C., with the help and kind ministrations of women fellow travelers, Mary was delivered of a male child. Jesus of Nazareth was born into the world, was wrapped in the clothes which Mary had brought along for such a possible contingency, and laid in a near-by manger.

    122:8.2 In just the same manner as all babies before that day and since have come into the world, the promised child was born; and on the eighth day, according to the Jewish practice, he was circumcised and formally named Joshua (Jesus)."

    "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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    Quote Originally Posted by journey View Post
    The ub is not recognized as a source for truth here. We all know that the ub is a fabrication, so we ignore it. The ub might be accepted on a UFO forum, but not a Christian forum.
    True

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    Lightbulb Jesusonian gospel.............

    Quote Originally Posted by journey View Post
    The ub is not recognized as a source for truth here. We all know that the ub is a fabrication, so we ignore it. The ub might be accepted on a UFO forum, but not a Christian forum.
    Part 4 is all about Jesus, his life, teachings, resurrection, ascension, etc (one of the most complete extensive records existing, believe it or not). By sheer volume, it speaks more of Jesus than the NT, revealing every year of his life, and his special place in the divine hierarchy as our Creator Son (it expands on the various orders of Sons of God, angels, and other cosmic beings). Its no more a fabrication than the gospels (or any biblical stories), since the gospel narratives cannot be proven to have taken place and could have a good share of mythology and religious teachings from other cultures woven in, besides we not knowing for sure who penned them (even though famous names may been ascribed to them), besides other 'redactions' made by scribes over the centuries, 'tailoring' the records.

    The UB does substantiate much of the teachings of Jesus from the gospel records and expands upon them, so it does agree that a historical Jesus existed, although his message and the religion that formed later after him distorted and changed the original message-emphasis, and things further took on a life of its own as it evolved into 'orthodox christianity', and its various dogmas and creeds.

    To use a more fitting term, the UB is 'Jesusonian' in its message, as we've covered here before. See the very last Paper 196 here on 'The Faith of Jesus'. The papers mention this term 5 times -

    94:4.10 Today, in India, the great need is for the portrayal of the Jesusonian gospel —the Fatherhood of God and the sonship and consequent brotherhood of all men, which is personally realized in loving ministry and social service. In India the philosophical framework is existent, the cult structure is present; all that is needed is the vitalizing spark of the dynamic love portrayed in the original gospel of the Son of Man, divested of the Occidental dogmas and doctrines which have tended to make Michael's life bestowal a white man's religion.

    94:10.3 The Tibetans have something of all the leading world religions except the simple teachings of the Jesusonian gospel: sonship with God, brotherhood with man, and ever-ascending citizenship in the eternal universe.

    95:7.3 Here and there throughout Arabia were families and clans that held on to the hazy idea of the one God. Such groups treasured the traditions of Melchizedek, Abraham, Moses, and Zoroaster. There were numerous centers that might have responded to the Jesusonian gospel, but the Christian missionaries of the desert lands were an austere and unyielding group in contrast with the compromisers and innovators who functioned as missionaries in the Mediterranean countries.

    195:10.5 In winning souls for the Master, it is not the first mile of compulsion, duty, or convention that will transform man and his world, but rather the second mile of free service and liberty-loving devotion that betokens the Jesusonian reaching forth to grasp his brother in love and sweep him on under spiritual guidance toward the higher and divine goal of mortal existence. Christianity even now willingly goes the first mile, but mankind languishes and stumbles along in moral darkness because there are so few genuine second-milers—so few professed followers of Jesus who really live and love as he taught his disciples to live and love and serve.

    196:2.1 Some day a reformation in the Christian church may strike deep enough to get back to the unadulterated religious teachings of Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith. You may preach a religion about Jesus, but, perforce, you must live the religion of Jesus. In the enthusiasm of Pentecost, Peter unintentionally inaugurated a new religion, the religion of the risen and glorified Christ. The Apostle Paul later on transformed this new gospel into Christianity, a religion embodying his own theologic views and portraying his own personal experience with the Jesus of the Damascus road. The gospel of the kingdom is founded on the personal religious experience of the Jesus of Galilee; Christianity is founded almost exclusively on the personal religious experience of the Apostle Paul. Almost the whole of the New Testament is devoted, not to the portrayal of the significant and inspiring religious life of Jesus, but to a discussion of Paul's religious experience and to a portrayal of his personal religious convictions. The only notable exceptions to this statement, aside from certain parts of Matthew, Mark, and Luke, are the Book of Hebrews and the Epistle of James. Even Peter, in his writing, only once reverted to the personal religious life of his Master. The New Testament is a superb Christian document, but it is only meagerly Jesusonian.
    Here we see the 'Jesusonian gospel' is about the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man, the spiritual rebirth of one realizing this 'sonship' in the Spirit, and then living that divinely inspired life of love and service. It is primarily a social gospel since its all relational, from the smallest family units, communities and then nations, for it is only when all receive and live out the gospel (as sons of God recognizing God as 'Our Heavenly Father') that we can live together in peace, there being righteousness and justice. So,...it would behoove you to first become properly educated in what the UB is all about before carrying on with your usual assumptions.

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    "All that night Mary was restless so that neither of them slept much. By the break of day the pangs of childbirth were well in evidence, and at noon, August 21, 7 B.C., with the help and kind ministrations of women fellow travelers, Mary was delivered of a male child. Jesus of Nazareth was born into the world, was wrapped in the clothes which Mary had brought along for such a possible contingency, and laid in a near-by manger.

    122:8.2 In just the same manner as all babies before that day and since have come into the world, the promised child was born; and on the eighth day, according to the Jewish practice, he was circumcised and formally named Joshua (Jesus)."
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    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    Part 4 is all about Jesus, his life, teachings, resurrection, ascension, etc (one of the most complete extensive records existing, believe it or not). By sheer volume, it speaks more of Jesus than the NT, revealing every year of his life, and his special place in the divine hierarchy as our Creator Son (it expands on the various orders of Sons of God, angels, and other cosmic beings). Its no more a fabrication than the gospels (or any biblical stories), since the gospel narratives cannot be proven to have taken place and could have a good share of mythology and religious teachings from other cultures woven in, besides we not knowing for sure who penned them (even though famous names may been ascribed to them), besides other 'redactions' made by scribes over the centuries, 'tailoring' the records.

    The UB does substantiate much of the teachings of Jesus from the gospel records and expands upon them, so it does agree that a historical Jesus existed, although his message and the religion that formed later after him distorted and changed the original message-emphasis, and things further took on a life of its own as it evolved into 'orthodox christianity', and its various dogmas and creeds.

    To use a more fitting term, the UB is 'Jesusonian' in its message, as we've covered here before. See the very last Paper 196 here on 'The Faith of Jesus'. The papers mention this term 5 times -



    Here we see the 'Jesusonian gospel' is about the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man, the spiritual rebirth of one realizing this 'sonship' in the Spirit, and then living that divinely inspired life of love and service. It is primarily a social gospel since its all relational, from the smallest family units, communities and then nations, for it is only when all receive and live out the gospel (as sons of God recognizing God as 'Our Heavenly Father') that we can live together in peace, there being righteousness and justice. So,...it would behoove you to first become properly educated in what the UB is all about before carrying on with your usual assumptions.

    Thanks for putting together those quotes Freelight! Good stuff! Indeed the world is ripe for the restatement of the gospel of Jesus. It is so sad that the church politicians have made these people on TOL so narrow minded and hateful.

    "Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil doing of his ancestors."UB

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    Quote Originally Posted by freelight View Post
    Part 4 is all about Jesus, his life, teachings, resurrection, ascension, etc (one of the most complete extensive records existing, believe it or not). By sheer volume, it speaks more of Jesus than the NT, revealing every year of his life, and his special place in the divine hierarchy as our Creator Son

    Blasphemy -

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    Cool Context is key

    Quote Originally Posted by patrick jane View Post
    Blasphemy -
    What I shared is a fact, read what I wrote in context before jumping the proverbial gun. Take a deep breath and read my commentary again.

    Part 4 is all about Jesus, his life, teachings, resurrection, ascension, etc (one of the most complete extensive records existing, believe it or not). By sheer volume, it speaks more of Jesus than the NT, revealing every year of his life,
    Read that in context? Read Part 4 and you'll see every year of Jesus life described in detail and it expands extensively on his entire life mission and teachings. The NT does not contain any information on the lost years of Jesus (age 12 - 30 ish). The UB and other records such as The Aquarian Gospel does. Each resource must be evaluated on its own content and context. There are also channeled writings and messages claiming to be from Jesus and the apostles themselves (via various mediums), so you have to do your own homework of the material out there, at last using your own conscience and spiritual discernment.

    So my statement that by sheer volume, the UB speaks more of Jesus than the NT is a fact, and not an issue of blasphemy.

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