musterion
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The logic is unassailable because that is what the Bible says. You just don't understand it because you're committed to a lie.
Did God become flesh?
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The logic is unassailable because that is what the Bible says. You just don't understand it because you're committed to a lie.
drbrumley
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well, unfortunately for you Dodge Dart, there is this little nugget.
Revelation 19:13
And he (Jesus) was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his (Jesus) name is called The Word of God.
So obviously you are wrong….Good day to you sir.
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No, it does not.
THE LOGOS refers to the God that was made flesh.
We already have plenty of anti-Christ deceivers here. We didn't need one more.
Yes, when Jesus returns, he will have this name. It doesn't mean he IS God's words. It means he proclaims God's words, and he fulfills God's words. Your attempt to twist the meaning of Logos simply fails.
I understand both trinitarian theory and oneness theory. They are both false.
The Scriptures NEVER .... EVER ..... state, explain or preach ANY tenet unique to either theory!
There is no logic. 3 persons in one being is a form of insanity, it isn't logic. Being 100% man AND 100% God isn't logic, or math .... it's nonsense. Worse, it's another "Jesus" and another God!
I'm Church of God, the same gospel as the apostles preached.
The only element of truth in your judgmental statement is, we worship different God's, and a different Jesus.... which, sadly, means at least one of us is lost..... possibly both.glorydaz said:
The crucial thing is, make sure we have the same God, and the same Jesus as is taught in the Scriptures.
My God, and my Jesus are both explained in plain, and simple statements of Scripture... as well as consistently preached to audiences throughout the Gospels and Acts.
Your "Jesus" is NEVER stated, explained or preached. Your "God" is NEVER stated, explained or preached.
What the trinitarian/oneness crowd constantly does, is cling to a small handful of texts that are merely worded in such a way that they MIGHT mean what you believe, if and only if, the listener is willing to accept teachings straight out of Greek mythology, philosophy and theology.... AND if the listener is either ignorant of the simple, clear actual statements of Scripture, or just willing to ignore them.
The "go to" texts of the trinitarian/oneness have MUCH better explanations, that are actually harmonious with ALL Scripture, AND harmonize with God's Creation .... the REAL WORLD we live in!!
drbrumley
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glorydaz
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And that's as far as any humanist can go, "one of us is lost.... possibly both". If you had been created IN CHRIST JESUS, you would have full assurance of your salvation, and you would KNOW the only Saviour is Jesus Christ our Lord.
To find out the only Gospel that saves today, you'll have to look to Paul, but if you can't find the divinity of Jesus Christ in the Gospel of John, you remain in darkness.
You do not understand trinitarian theology.
If you did, you wouldn't have said the above.
Dart.
Consider this:
None of them can by any means redeem his brother, Nor give to God a ransom for him—For the redemption of their souls is costly, And it shall cease forever—That he should continue to live eternally, And not see the Pit. . . . But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave, For He shall receive me. Selah - Psalm 49:7-9,15 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm49:7-9,15&version=NKJV
Was David lying?
Dart, Jesus preached throughout His three year ministry.
Who was he preaching about?
Appeal to the stone.
And it is far from illogical.
God made man in His image and likeness.
Man is tripartite, body, soul, spirit.
God is Father, Son, Holy Ghost.
Man is one person and one being. One WHO and one WHAT.
God is three Persons and one Being. Three WHOs and one WHAT.
God is WHAT He is.
Father, Son, Spirit, is WHO He is.
:blabla: More appeal to the stone.
Dart, do you deny the incarnation of Christ?
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Why have you not sold all you have and live in a commune, then?
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The old, "Either I'm right or NO ONE is" routine.
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Argument from silence.
Not at all.
I haven't seen one trinitarian in this thread refer to Greek mythology, Greek philosophy, or Greek theology in this entire thread. It's only scripture.
..."Baptising them in the name (singular) of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"...
Three Persons, one name.
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Dart, could you please answer this question:
Whom was Jesus' ministry focused on?
Maybe you could answer the same question I asked him...
Meshak (whichever one is at the computer right now...)...
Whom was Jesus' ministry focused on?
Why do you even ask? You don't understand simple explanation of Jesus and the Bible.
To show you're a coward.
You refuse to answer the simplest of questions about Jesus, yet claim to only teach what he taught.
Again:
Meshak, whom was Jesus' ministry focused on?
keypurr
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The image that was given the fullness of his creator.
There is no evidence that practice continued after the Church in Jerusalem was scattered. In fact, Paul helped take up a collection from the Gentile Churches of God, to aid those in Jerusalem.
You don't read carefully, which explains your confusion. What I said is only one of us CAN be right, but we both MIGHT be wrong.JR said:
Silence describes the Scriptures statements about trinity/oneness. Deafening silence. In contrast, the 100% human Jesus of Nazareth, a descendant of Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, David and Mary, IS preached in many sermons recorded in the book of Acts. These facts are PRECISELY why Paul said;JR said:
2 Cor 11:3-4 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
According to Paul, we absolutely MUST be able to show the "Jesus" we believe in, being PREACHED by the apostles!!!
Of course I will answer your question .... (one of my frequently used answers is .... "Sorry, I don't know")JR said:
Jesus said;
Matt 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Jesus commanded his apostles;
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
keypurr
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I am not worried about getting saved John.
I suggest you pray for forgiveness and understanding. It might help you see what the words say.
keypurr
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If your going to reference Revelations.... you should start with the first verse...
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him...
So according to the very first verse... who gave Jesus His revelation??? Perhaps His GOD!
Let's now review Alpha and Omega...
I am the Alpha and the Omega.
This is referenced to Revelation 1:8. But Revelation 1:8 is talking about The Almighty, Revelation 22:12 is not using this title for Jesus but for God again. If we read Revelation 22:6 it tells us who the subject is, "The Lord, the God of prophetic spirits." Jesus does say in Revelation 1:17 that, "I am the first and the last." We shall examine what he meant by that statement.
Just because the same title is used to describe two people does not mean that those two people are one. David called King Saul "My Lord " but that does not make Saul David's God (1 Samuel 24:8).
Israel’s Judges were called "saviors" but that does not make them and Jesus one person? (Nehemiah 9:27).
Jeroboam the Second of Israel is called "Israel’s savior," but that does not make him Jesus? (2 Kings 13:5)
Before we discuss these verses it would benefit us to understand John’s view of God.
Examples:
John 17:3
"Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."
Revelation 1:6
"Who (Jesus) has made us into a kingdom, priests for his God and Father."
John 20:17
"But go to my brothers and tell them, "I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."
In these verses John does not consider Jesus to be God in any way. For John, Jesus has a God. John also does not believe Jesus to be omniscient even after his resurrected state. Revelation 1:1 says:
"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him."
Even after his resurrection Jesus is not omniscient. God still gives him revelations. Emphasis on God gives him. Now we will look at Revelation 1:17 with the correct background of John’s thinking, and not with a mind set on making Jesus God at all costs.
It is obvious that God Almighty is the first and the last, but how is Jesus also the first and the last? Jesus is the first because he is the firstborn in two ways. One, he is the firstborn of God, which to the Jews implied that as the firstborn you are entitled to be the heir of your father, which Jesus is (Hebrews 1:2). Also according to Strong’s Greek Dictionary it means foremost in importance, which Jesus certainly is. This also corresponds with Psalms 89: 28 - 30.
Secondly, Jesus is the firstborn from the dead to be resurrected, which is what Jesus is speaking about in Revelation 1:18 which follows his statement that he is the first and the last. It reads:
"I am the first and the last, the one who lives. Once I was dead, but now I am alive forever."
This is also is in agreement with Colossians 1: 18. Jesus is the last because when he comes again it will be the end of the present age, and he will be in effect the last one to enter this world while it is still under the influence of Satan. He will then usher in the Messianic kingdom of God.
You knee jerk reactions shows your failure to study scripture from the beginning (Alpha) to the end (Omega) !
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keypurr
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AMEN
keypurr
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But God sent his Son, not himself. Think.
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