kmoney said:
did you bad rep me for not capitalizing "christ"?.....someone did.
anyway.....
Nope, not I.
I'd think the pharisees would have been better at recognizing Christ since He was right there in front of them, but they weren't, despite that I don't think you can look to them and say that no one can recognize Christlikeness. Also, the pharisees weren't objective viewers of Christ(if that exists). They were too caught up in their customs and "obeying" the law that they totally missed it.
I didn't
say no one could. I do however feel that those who don't
know Christ are stretching it to say they know what He is
like, though. I think you hit the nail on the head, much like pagans do, they were wrapped up in what
they thought He
should be.
I already listened to that audio link. Yes, I disagree with Pastor Cox, but again, I don't think you can look to him and say that no one that isn't a Christian knows what's Christlike. My point in this is not to say that beanieboy does know what's Christlike, I'm saying that it can be done.
I think in rare instances it could be done (maybe by an apostate), but bean
doesn't. Anyway, the reason I brought up Cox was he claimed to be the
head pastor and
he doesn't know what Christ-likeness is. So what's the odds the average unrepentant idolitrous homo does?
I didn't think I said you take counsel from him. Again, I'm not saying that he definitely has "something of value to offer Christians", but what I am saying is that I don't think it's good to discount anything a non-Christian says concerning what might or might not be Christlike, not specifically beanieboy.
Firstly, we aren't talking about all pagans, we are talking about bean. Secondly, I think history plays a huge part in why so many voted the way they did in this poll.
Then the same way David mocked Goliath and the way Elijah mocked the prophets of baal are just as legitimate as the way Paul mocks folks (remember him "boasting") or you and I do. We aren't mocking people for
self serving reasons, and indeed mockery isn't always called for. However, when it is, perhaps we should step back and see where someone is going with it rather than jump in with half the facts and a whole judgement.
I agree. In case you didn't catch it I was being sarcastic in my "please judge me for not apologizing sooner". I did so because I didn't feel it was your place to say anything about my apology to her.
I went back to make sure I have this right:
You said: let me say this, if Poly's point in this was to witness to beanieboy and be harsh as a last resort because she truly cares about him than I'm ok with it, or at least my disapproval is greatly lessened, but I didn't see any motive in it except to bash him, and like I said before, she said herself she was just curious which to me just seems like she wants to have a collective bashing party, but.....
I am in no place to judge her motives and her heart in this and I was wrong to assume the worst. Poly I'm sorry.....
I replied: First you judge Poly for being wrong in her intentions ( which is her heart btw ) and then apologize. Yet, after how many posts? You are still judging Christians for witnessing to the lost with not one word to those in danger of hell. Didn't I say this is usually how it goes?
Perhpas you misunderstood what I was saying. Your paragraph first judges her, then apologizes for it. That is a schizophrenic way to edify someone, don't you think? But beyond that, bean goes unchastened still
yet. Anyway, I wasn't judging you or calling your apology into question, I was trying to point out how odd it is to judge someone then apologize for it in the same breath.
Yes, I was saying that I accept what you said about me for the most part letting beanieboy go while accusing Christians of their witnessing methods.
Ok...
At that point I think Christ's patience will be exhausted and judgement will come.
We agree. Each of us will stand to give an acocunt. Either we will have Christ's righteousness or our own. Right now, bean is in danger of being judged by his own works. To you and me, that is a fearful thing (or should be), but to bean, it means nothing at all. Why? Because he paints our God in his image. This plays into him not quite catching on to what is and is not Christ-like.
If he gets comfort from either it's the people who "stand between him and the Truth". One thing though...mockery is not the only way to "lay out the Truth", but I'm sure you do realize that.
Well, for now you are right. He gets fleeting comfort from those who would shield him from a Righteous God or those who battle against others witnessing to him, but... I said
real comfort. The kind of comfort that can only come from One place. The kind that won't be burned away come the day of judgement.
You want me to accept your methods of witnessing...All I can do is say that I won't question your motives anymore.
I haven't asked you to accept anything. What I
would ask of you is to take a step back and see where things go instead of jumping in in mid stream. You know? I've been talking to people before, and out of the blue I say something I have no idea what it means, until I see the look on their face. Obviously, it meant something to
them. It's really hard to judge where the Spirit may be leading someone in witness. The tact I use, is to step back and watch, maybe even learn something.
I never said Poly wasn't on God's side.
True, but you
did judge
her.
I never said beanie wasn't living in sin and in need of judgement.
True, but you
didn't judge
him
.
but I have been talking to you and Poly instead of him so maybe that's why you think that's what I think.
Or maybe it's like all the rest on TOL who only reserve judgement for the Christians? You are new here, so I guess time will tell
