Hi to all and 1 Cor 15:8 reads , And last of all He was seen by me also , as if ot were an UNTIMELY BIRTH !!
What doe and UNTIMELY BIRTH MEAN ?
What does a TIMELY BIRTH MEAN ?
How does it affect the 12 apostles ??
Does the MESSAGE CHANGE ??
This verse answers Rom 16:7 !!
And since ONLY was ABORTED the other were the BORN IN DUE TIME , and that means that the 12 apostles WERE NOT in the B O C !!
Let the debate begin ??
dan p
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. [1Co 15:4-8 KJV]
The thing that makes the most sense to me is that he was not around when Jesus was on earth, at least not old enough to be part of His earthly ministry. And if one characteristic of apostles was that they were with Jesus throughout His earthly ministry (
21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. [Act 1:21-22 KJV]), Paul doesn't qualify. He's going through the list of those that had seen Jesus after His resurrection, and Paul hadn't, and had never met Jesus prior to His ascension as far as we know.
Why was he not around for Jesus' ministry? He might have been too young:
58 And cast [him] out of the city, and stoned [him]: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a
young man's feet, whose name was Saul. [Act 7:58 KJV]
If Stephen died in 34 AD, and Jesus died in 30 AD (these are commonly accepted dates), then if Paul was a young man in 34 (he might have been a teenager still, and not old enough to participate in the stoning, which was probably 20 years minimum), then when Jesus died, he was only 15, perhaps, and when Jesus started His ministry, only 12, perhaps.
Jesus disciples were not old, for the most part. They might have been only teenagers when Jesus called them. But it seems unlikely that they were as young as 12.
Gamaliel is mentioned twice in scripture, once (Acts 5:34) prior to Stephen's stoning, and once by Paul, explaining that Gamaliel was his tutor (Acts 22:3). Could it be that the first time Gamaliel is mentioned, S(P)aul is still his pupil? Seems likely to me, and possibly Paul is the source of the information about Gamaliel's testimony in the verses following Acts 5:34, since the apostles had already been put out of the room.
I don't think the translation of "abortion" or "miscarriage" applies, though some give that option.
