a case against Enyart's "Nicer than God"
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beanieboy said:
And here I thought I was sacrificing depth for the cause of clarity. Okay, to all those who found it unclear regardless of depth, let me make it brutally obvious.
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1. A biker finds a motorist next to his bike, where it was already parked ... gee, I thought that would make it clear the biker was analogous to TOL.
2. The motorist is surprised and threatened by the biker doing what he does naturally, mounting his bike ... analogy to visitors reaction to a website's webmaster following his pastor's teachings.
3. Biker tells motorist ... well, umm, gee golly ... don't post at TOL if you're not willing to deal with TOLers.
And there ya have it.
I once printed up a bunch of business cards with a buddy of mine sporting the slogan "Life is Fair" just to noodge the next person I heard saying "nobody told you life would be fair" ... a week later, a bike burned up underneath me; two weeks later, my apartment burned down taking out everything I owned except for a car and the clothes on my back ... the next day I burned the cards I still had in my wallet.
Sometimes it doesn't pay to mock the gods. Anybody looking to have this parable explained is gonna be waiting a long time. If you don't understand it, just move on while repeating to yourself, "Don't park next to any more bikers."
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Trust me... I only rep slam you because you deserve it.The Edge said:Yes! Rep slammed by both Turbo and Knight again! I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You may have one of the thickest skulls in TOL history.
Knight said:Trust me... I only rep slam you because you deserve it.
You may have one of the thickest skulls in TOL history.
Respectfully, you should be bad repped for this statement because everybody knows that distinction belongs to Beanie. This isn't rocket surgery, you know.
Respectfully.
I don't have a thick skull. I'm just not afraid to stand up and speak my mind. And there's scores of people here like me. They make themselves known in my reputation history. They are why I'm still in the green.Knight said:Trust me... I only rep slam you because you deserve it.
You may have one of the thickest skulls in TOL history.
How so, SteveG?SteveG. said:
Does God not send those who reject and rebel against Him to hell?
What do you think would be Christlike, to incessantly beg those who utterly hate Him to repent?
Maybe you think Christ was evil and un-Christlike as well:
[Jesus]And whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city![/jesus] Mark 6:11
[jesus]Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.[/jesus] Matthew 7:6
[jesus]Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.[/jesus] Matthew 7:6
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The Edge said:amazing....on this new board, I only posted about 10 tiimes, and already I got over 5000 reputaiton and like 12 green boxes under my name
Do you really think this surprises anybody?
I thought Pastor Bob had some good points. Overall he's probably right, but I think he should be careful about generalizing too much.
One thought...some people criticize this letter by Bob because they believe he is advocating mockery/ridicule as a first resort. I do not think this is true. Bob certainly seems to condone it in some cases, but he isn't encouraging it all the time. People think that when Bob talks about "offending" people it must be because the offended person was mocked/ridiculed in some sharp way, but that isn't necessarily the case. I think the original poster mentioned this also but, the gospel itself can be offensive. You can present the gospel in a very unoffensive way but the unbeliever may still be offended because the gospel tells the person they are in sin and must repent and come to the saving grace of Jesus Christ. That can be offensive. So when people get the impression that Pastor Bob is meaning mockery everytime he talks about offending people I do not think that's true. He is saying to present the gospel as it should be presented and if someone is offended don't worry about it. Don't seek forgiveness for stepping on some toes.
I do question some of the verses he used though. Many of the verses he used for the OT was God mocking sinners and I personally think there is a difference between God mocking sinners and Christians doing it. I seem to be in the minority in that though. Yes Jesus used some harsh terms and maybe Paul used sarcasm in his letters in some cases, but I believe that people have taken it too far. I, for the most part, don't have a problem with Bob's letter, but I do think people have used it as a license to throw derogatory terms around to believers and unbelievers alike.
Kevin
One thought...some people criticize this letter by Bob because they believe he is advocating mockery/ridicule as a first resort. I do not think this is true. Bob certainly seems to condone it in some cases, but he isn't encouraging it all the time. People think that when Bob talks about "offending" people it must be because the offended person was mocked/ridiculed in some sharp way, but that isn't necessarily the case. I think the original poster mentioned this also but, the gospel itself can be offensive. You can present the gospel in a very unoffensive way but the unbeliever may still be offended because the gospel tells the person they are in sin and must repent and come to the saving grace of Jesus Christ. That can be offensive. So when people get the impression that Pastor Bob is meaning mockery everytime he talks about offending people I do not think that's true. He is saying to present the gospel as it should be presented and if someone is offended don't worry about it. Don't seek forgiveness for stepping on some toes.
I do question some of the verses he used though. Many of the verses he used for the OT was God mocking sinners and I personally think there is a difference between God mocking sinners and Christians doing it. I seem to be in the minority in that though. Yes Jesus used some harsh terms and maybe Paul used sarcasm in his letters in some cases, but I believe that people have taken it too far. I, for the most part, don't have a problem with Bob's letter, but I do think people have used it as a license to throw derogatory terms around to believers and unbelievers alike.
Kevin
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