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Paul says Apollos watered. How do you think that Apollos watered?
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Paul says Apollos watered. How do you think that Apollos watered?
What a mess. The children of Israel's baptism was w/o water, a "dry" baptism, you troll. It was Pharaoh and his gang that were sprinkled with/trashed in, water.
Clueless troll.
Exodus 14:16 KJV But lift thou up thy rod, and stretch out thine hand over the sea, and divide it: and the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea.
Exodus 14:21 KJV And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.
Exodus 14:22 KJV And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground: and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.
Exodus 14:29 KJV But the children of Israel walked upon dry land in the midst of the sea; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.
Exodus 15:19 KJV For the horse of Pharaoh went in with his chariots and with his horsemen into the sea, and the Lord brought again the waters of the sea upon them; but the children of Israel went on dry land in the midst of the sea.
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Hi John W and in the Noah's flood the one who were BAPTIZED were those OUT side of the ARK and they do not seem to understand WATER BAPTISM , wet or dry !!
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1 Corinthians 10
Warnings From Israel’s History
10 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3 They all ate the same spiritual food 4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
Do you really think you should be arguing against Paul?
Because you don't see the difference between the two Gospels being preached back then, one MUST assume you're blinded by your own stubbornness and seeming inability to discern Biblical truth when it's presented to you.
There's Biblical TRUTH that is extremely obvious regarding the differences between the 'Kingdom Gospel' being preached by Christ during His earthly ministry (to the House of Israel) and the 'Gospel of the Grace of God' being preached by the Apostle Paul, yet, people seem to be blinded, either by their own blatant stubbornness or by 'other unseen forces' behind the scenes? And, it might just be a combination of both?
The two differences are rather noticeable, yet, a lot of people are unable/incapable of seeing these differences. Christ said Himself, in Matthew 15:24 "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." How can anyone dispute this fact, yet, they do? Obviously, Jesus earthly message was to the House of Israel only. Later, Paul is chosen, by the ascended Lord Jesus Christ to preach the 'Gospel of the Grace of God' to the gentiles, Acts 22:21 "And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles."
How can this Biblical truth be denied, yet, it is?
The two differences are rather noticeable, yet, a lot of people are unable/incapable of seeing these differences. Christ said Himself, in Matthew 15:24 "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." How can anyone dispute this fact, yet, they do? Obviously, Jesus earthly message was to the House of Israel only. Later, Paul is chosen, by the ascended Lord Jesus Christ to preach the 'Gospel of the Grace of God' to the gentiles, Acts 22:21 "And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles."
How can this Biblical truth be denied, yet, it is?
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You speak of cults and that of those who cannot be reasoned with, so now think for yourself, what is right and what is wrong, is it ever right to go against obeying Jesus?
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There is no difference, it is the same gospel just a little later when Jesus was crucified, then all could com to him---come to HIS WORD, His words to be saved.
John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."
Like Tam alluded to earlier, the Baptism of today, under the auspices of the 'Gospel of the Grace of God' is when the Holy Spirit baptises the new believer into the Body of Christ. This is a Spiritual process that doesn't include any water. 1 Corinthians 12:13 "For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
This is NOT done by the hands of men, using water, it's done by the Holy Spirit.
This is NOT done by the hands of men, using water, it's done by the Holy Spirit.
Simply put, you're wrong. Your ignorance has blinded you. Your stubbornness and lack of knowledge continues to lead you down the wrong path.
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What else does one in falseness say? What else does one in a cult say?
GT has been privy to the 'Gospel of the Grace of God' for many years now, yet, she has rejected it in no uncertain terms. Does she have the saving faith that is required to be able to inherit eternal life, hopefully? Only God knows if she is eligible for His Grace to be imparted to her? Does she have a good understanding of the Gospel for today, absolutely not. Is she able to witness the truth of the Gospel for today, not at all. Can she share the 'true Gospel' with others, appropriately and understandably, not at all. So, we see that she has extreme limitations involving her inability to properly share the Gospel in any meaningful way. She clings to that which was meant for the House of Israel only, and basically rejects 'Paul's Gospel.'
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Grace isn't "We don't have to obey Jesus".
Yeah, we all KNOW you're all about, obedience. Whatever that entails?
Grace is unmerited favor, not earned by works.
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Grace is that those who believe are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. And Paul makes it plain that those who believe are saved:"
"And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house" (Acts 16:30-31).
You can obey until you are blue in the face but it won't do you any good because in order to be saved you must believe. And you do not believe that the gospel is the power of God unto salvation TO EVERY ONE WHO BELIEVES:
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth" (Ro.1:16).
According to your perversion of the Scriptures believing is not enough despite what Paul said.
Made up-dry baptism for the children of Israel:
Exodus 15:19 KJV For the horse of Pharaoh went in with his chariots and with his horsemen into the sea, and the Lord brought again the waters of the sea upon them; but the children of Israel went on dry land in the midst of the sea.
Pathetic pest.
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What a mess. The children of Israel's baptism was w/o water, a "dry" baptism, you troll. It was Pharaoh and his gang that were sprinkled with/trashed in, water.
Clueless troll.
Exodus 14:16 KJV But lift thou up thy rod, and stretch out thine hand over the sea, and divide it: and the children of Israel shall go on dry ground through the midst of the sea.
Exodus 14:21 KJV And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.
Exodus 14:22 KJV And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground: and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.
Exodus 14:29 KJV But the children of Israel walked upon dry land in the midst of the sea; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.
Exodus 15:19 KJV For the horse of Pharaoh went in with his chariots and with his horsemen into the sea, and the Lord brought again the waters of the sea upon them; but the children of Israel went on dry land in the midst of the sea.
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It is not wise to go against Paul who says they were baptized in the cloud and in the sea. And Peter who says the flood when Noah and his family were saved were saved by water.
People want to rewrite the Bible they think they can say it better than the Word.
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Yeah obeying God is such a dragon for many.