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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Yes, in fact, Adam was of that seed Chosen before the foundation of the world. The mistake is that people think that Adam was the Natural Federal Head of the Non Elect in the beginning, but he was not only of the Elect !

    I agree. Only all the elect died in Adam. (1 Cor. 15:22)
    All the non-elect were of the seed of the serpent (Gen. 3:14-15).
    Cain "was of that wicked one" (1 John 3:12).
    Jesus referred to them as serpents (Mat. 23:31-36);
    their father is the devil (John 8:44);
    a "seed" (zera) of evildoers (Isaiah 1:4 -KJV)

    So, Cain was not created in Adam in the beginning;
    he is not included in the genealogy recorded in Gen. 5:1-32;
    but he was the spiritual offspring of the devil.

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    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    So, Cain was not created in Adam in the beginning;
    he is not included in the genealogy recorded in Gen. 5:1-32;
    but he was the spiritual offspring of the devil.
    Agreed, I don't think anyone has ever agreed with me on this sublime Truth before.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Agreed, I don't think anyone has ever agreed with me on this sublime Truth before.
    Not surprised, though. Yet, all the scriptures to support this truth are there,
    so what remains may be an understanding issue for most.
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    so what remains may be an understanding issue for most.
    Well, Yeah, especially if Christ does not give it to them. 1 Jn 5:19-20

    20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

    The only way I have an understanding of it is because it was granted to me ! And I believe its something that will be granted to all God's True People, as it is written:

    Matt 13:12

    For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Well, Yeah, especially if Christ does not give it to them. 1 Jn 5:19-20

    20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

    The only way I have an understanding of it is because it was granted to me ! And I believe its something that will be granted to all God's True People, as it is written:

    Matt 13:12

    For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
    Agree...it's exactly what I had in mind. ☺

    Also, 2 Tim. 3:14:
    But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them

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    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    World was created for a Purpose of showing Grace

    Rom 3:24

    24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

    This world was created for a purpose of grace, because it was made for a redemptive purpose. This grace was given to all whom would be redeemed through that redemption that is in Christ Jesus, the grace was given them in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9

    9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

    Also a scripture in Eph 2 sums it up accurately Eph 2:7

    7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

    This sums up the Purpose of creation. So the World was Created for a Redemptive Purpose in Christ, which is also called the Eternal Purpose here Eph 3:11

    11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

    This verse above speaks to the purport 2 Tim 1:9. Now by the way, it was for this Eternal Purpose and cause as to why God is the First and Primary cause for sin and death coming into the world, and why He wanted adam and man in him to sin and purposed that sinned, which Paul points out here Rom 8:20

    20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

    What hope ? Titus 1:2

    2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

    Notice the term before the world began ! Where did we see those words before ? Here 2 Tim 1:9

    9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
    Last edited by beloved57; November 17th, 2013 at 09:59 PM.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    World was created for a Purpose of showing Grace 2

    Now it must be added and noted that God's Eternal Purpose in Christ Eph 3:11; 2 Tim 1:9 was formed by God in Eternity, in His Eternal Mind alone, without any consideration of anything He did foresee, without being influenced by anyone, not adam, not Lucifer, no angels. Uninfluenced by anyone or anything outside of Himself, and solely according to His OWN good pleasure Eph 1:5,11

    5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

    11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

    All True Saints believe this Ps 115:3

    3 But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased[or desired].

    Dan 4:35

    35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth[executes,performs] according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

    Look especially at the Phrase Eph 1:11

    In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will: Not no one elses will , which would be the case if He was influenced by any actions outside of Himself !

    If we believe and teach that God in forming His Eternal Purpose in Christ [which is Redemptive and about Grace] was influenced by what He foresaw in and by Adam or any other creature, we immediately are guilty of dishonoring God's Wisdom, supposing He could not have originated such a Gracious Purpose of Redemption apart from being influenced by His creatures, beings of time, and so then it would be another being inferior to Himself that taught Him wisdom Isa 40:13

    Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord, or being his counsellor hath taught him?

    If God's Eternal Purpose of Redemption and Grace was the result of God foreseeing how His creatures would act, then to a degree they taught Him wisdom, their actions at the least initiated Him to act towards them in Redemption and Grace, thoughts obviously He had not before He created man. All such thinking is Blasphemous, insulting, and disrespectful to the highest degree and of the devil His arch enemy !

    God also within the Eternal Purpose in Christ Eph 3:11

    11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

    Chose His People in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:3-6

    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

    4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

    5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

    6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

    Connected to what had been said earlier Eph 2:7

    7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Creation, creator, created ''bara'' in Hebrew and it emphasises the initiation of the object. The creation took place to reveal the attributes of Deity and once the process was complete there was need for further revelation over a period of time. This is the mystery. That in moving forward there is, by necessity, a change taking place and to the casual observer this would necessitate a 'change of mind'' as time pans out. But, we have an immutable and unchanging Elohim.

    The existence of time is something I've been considering lately. The Almighty could, if He chose to do so, have put the matter of sin right in Eden. He could have created another man in their likeness and in their image and nailed Him to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Risen Him from death and allowed him to eat from the tree of life. But He chose to use sin and death as a means to redemption at a future date…amazing grace!
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    Creation, creator, created ''bara'' in Hebrew and it emphasises the initiation of the object. The creation took place to reveal the attributes of Deity and once the process was complete there was need for further revelation over a period of time. This is the mystery. That in moving forward there is, by necessity, a change taking place and to the casual observer this would necessitate a 'change of mind'' as time pans out. But, we have an immutable and unchanging Elohim.
    Do you understand the things stated in post 67 ?
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
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    Do you understand the things stated in post 67 ?
    I wasn't answering post 67. I have had a glance and seeing it is just cut and paste scripture I can confirm I understand those things. Do you understand what I have posted in 68?

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    I wasn't answering post 67
    Could you answer it now ?
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    truster



    Could you answer it now ?
    I couldn't see a question in 67? I saw a long statement, but no question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    I couldn't see a question in 67? I saw a long statement, but no question.
    Could you answer it now ? Do you understand it ?
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Could you answer it now ? Do you understand it ?
    You point me to the question and I'll answer it.

    Are you bonkers or just playing at it? Now that is a question!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    You point me to the question and I'll answer it.

    Are you bonkers or just playing at it? Now that is a question!
    Read post 69 again !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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