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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    What was Gods purpose in giving Adam the command not to eat of the specific tree ? Gen 2:16-17

    16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

    17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

    Was it in harmony with the fact that Christ would come into the world and die for sin and afterwards be highly exalted ? Phil 2:5-9


    5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

    6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

    7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

    8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

    When God gave Adam the command to not eat of the specific tree in the garden, He Sovereignly Purposed his disobedience, so that Christ Jesus, the Lamb slain before the foundation Rev. 13:8b, should be Highly Exalted Phil. 2:8-9 in their Salvation !

    Yes, God Purposed from Everlasting to punish Christ for Adam's disobedience and His posterity in him [originally comprised of all God's Elect] for their sin of disobedience / unbelief, to fulfill His Redemptive Purpose in Christ; Set Up as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world Rev. 13:8; 1 Pet. 1:20.

    Now could God have kept Adam from the evil serpent if He so pleased? Yes, most definitely. However, according to God's Eternal Purpose in Christ Eph. 3:11, the first Adam had no choice but to disobey God and sin, for God had Eternally Purposed the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Christ the Last Adam 1 Cor. 15:45 to be Highly Exalted as a Prince and a Saviour Acts 5:31 !
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    When God gave Adam the command to not eat of the specific tree in the garden, He Sovereignly Purposed his disobedience, so that Christ Jesus, the Lamb slain before the foundation Rev. 13:8b, should be Highly Exalted Phil. 2:8-9 in their Salvation !

    Yes, God Purposed from Everlasting to punish Christ for Adam's disobedience and His posterity in him [originally comprised of all God's Elect] for their sin of disobedience / unbelief, to fulfill His Redemptive Purpose in Christ; Set Up as the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world Rev. 13:8; 1 Pet. 1:20.

    Now could God have kept Adam from the evil serpent if He so pleased? Yes, most definitely. However, according to God's Eternal Purpose in Christ Eph. 3:11, the first Adam had no choice but to disobey God and sin, for God had Eternally Purposed the Death, Burial and Resurrection of Christ the Last Adam 1 Cor. 15:45 to be Highly Exalted as a Prince and a Saviour Acts 5:31 !
    Amen, most excellent My Sister !
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    So when Adam was Created everything was very good because all was Created to serve His Eternal Purpose and the final exaltation of Christ to be a Prince and a Saviour Acts 5:31

    31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Amen, most excellent My Sister !
    Thank You !

    I appreciate you My Brother, and all your help in my study of the Scriptures over the years.

    May God Bless your richly !
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    So when Adam was Created everything was very good because all was Created to serve His Eternal Purpose and the final exaltation of Christ to be a Prince and a Saviour Acts 5:31

    31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

    Amen !

    1 Pet. 1:10-11

    10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

    11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    How can a foetus, or lets even say a zygote have any "sin in their head"?!

    Your own personal belief system is monstrous.
    HOW? By being created with a free will before the creation of the physical universe and by having sinned by their free will before the creation of the physical universe and then being sent to live In the earth after the creation of the physical universe by being put as sinners by their free will into a human body at their conception...

    ...THAT'S HOW.

    Jacob and Esau were not struggling or wrestling in their mother's womb, they were trying to crush each other to pieces, ie to murder each other as the Hebrew words indicate, to become the first born...which is an absolute denial of our being created on earth in a tabula rasa state. Nothing monstrous here...
    I Champion GODís holiness:
    - GOD did not need evil so did not create evil for any reason.
    - All evil is creature-created.

    I Champion Our Free will:
    - All spirits created in HIS image had an equal ability and opportunity to choose either heaven or hell by their free will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ttruscott View Post
    HOW? By being created with a free will before the creation of the physical universe and by having sinned by their free will before the creation of the physical universe and then being sent to live In the earth after the creation of the physical universe by being put as sinners by their free will into a human body at their conception...

    ...THAT'S HOW.

    Jacob and Esau were not struggling or wrestling in their mother's womb, they were trying to crush each other to pieces, ie to murder each other as the Hebrew words indicate, to become the first born...which is an absolute denial of our being created on earth in a tabula rasa state. Nothing monstrous here...
    Of course it's monstrous. A baby or even an adult doesn't have any concept or memory of any "former life".
    Well this is fun isn't it?


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    The sin of man in Adam was necessary to bring to pass Gods eternal purpose in Christ wherein He would be most Glorified !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
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    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    The sin of man in Adam was necessary to bring to pass Gods eternal purpose in Christ wherein He would be most Glorified !

    Amen Brother ! Adam originally being the federal head of all God's Elect, was created in the flesh to sin and fulfill God's Eternal Purpose in the Lord Jesus Christ, which was to Save His People from their sins. For in the Eternal Purpose of God, Christ as their Surety, was the Lamb Slain before the foundation of the world to redeem them, His Body the Church, from their sins.

    Rev. 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

    Ps. 118:16 The right hand of the LORD is exalted: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly.
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    Amen Brother ! Adam originally being the federal head of all God's Elect, was created in the flesh to sin and fulfill God's Eternal Purpose in the Lord Jesus Christ, which was to Save His People from their sins. For in the Eternal Purpose of God, Christ as their Surety, was the Lamb Slain before the foundation of the world to redeem them, His Body the Church, from their sins.

    Rev. 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

    Ps. 118:16 The right hand of the LORD is exalted: the right hand of the LORD doeth valiantly.
    Amen Sister

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    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    The sin of man in Adam was necessary to bring to pass Gods eternal purpose in Christ wherein He would be most Glorified !
    "So then as through one trespass the judgment came unto all men to condemnation; even so through one act of righteousness the free gift came unto all men to justification of life.

    For as through the one man's disobedience the polus were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the polus will be made righteous."

    Many= many

    Polus= polus

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