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    GRAYVEN,

    ITS ALL IN THE BIBLE - READ IT.

    2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
    a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
    rightly dividing the word of truth.

    Job 32:8 But there is a spirit in man:
    and the inspiration of the Almighty
    giveth them understanding.
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    If the Lord Jesus christ in the Eternal Mind of God, was slain from or before the foundation of the world [ Rev 13:8], before the world was created and existed, then it serves to reason, that it [ the world] was created for His Eternal Purpose of redemption Eph 3:11

    11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

    which means the entrance of sin and mans redemption from it, was all part of His Eternal Purpose and plan for the world. Sin entering into the world by adam was not a deviation of Gods Eternal purpose but included within it and necessary to make manifest the wisdom of the eternal purpose..Eph 3:9-10

    9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

    10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
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    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    If the Lord Jesus christ in the Eternal Mind of God, was slain from or before the foundation of the world [ rev 13:8], before the world was created and existed, then it serves to reason, that it [ the world] was created for His Eternal Purpose of redemption eph 3:

    11According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

    which means the entrance of sin and mans redemption from it, was all part of His eternal purpose and plan for the world. Sin entering into the world by adam was not a deviation of Gods Eternal purpose but included within it and necessary to make manifest the wisdom of the eternal purpose..eph 3:

    9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

    10To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,


    The carnal Creation is the only THING that does not have a GLORY of it's own. The making of the New Heavens and the New Earth which is the Old creation, baptized and raised a New Heavens and a New Earth.

    The New, always have the supreme Glory of God.
    Peace.

    Paul 122109
    ---Gal. 4:16.
    ---"Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth"???

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    I always refer Dabney on this subject...

    "In my opinion this is a question which never ought to have been raised." --Dabney on Supralapsarian and Sublapsarian

    Both positions have their supporters, and both sides offer excellent arguments, but at the end of the day, I feel it's folly to exhaustively understand the mind of God. I think this is one of those subjects that Scripture is less than clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letsargue View Post
    The carnal Creation is the only THING that does not have a GLORY of it's own. The making of the New Heavens and the New Earth which is the Old creation, baptized and raised a New Heavens and a New Earth.

    The New, always have the supreme Glory of God.
    Peace.

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    Do you know why God created the earth ?
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    BELOVED57,

    Tell us why God created the Earth.
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    Re 4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
    20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
    21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
    22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
    23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
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    omega:

    BELOVED57,

    Tell us why God created the Earth.
    Why dont you read the thread !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    WHY DID GOD MAKE THE EARTH

    BELOVED777

    WHY did God make the Earth ???

    I think that you mean What was God's Purpose in Remaking Mankind on the Earth
    after Satan destroyed the first men because he did not want to be ruled by the
    animals that he had genetically created for God over the past million years.

    Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
    Eph 3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
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    The basic answer being that, because God has to spend time making each Angel individually and because of the vastness of the created physical Universe, God wanted a creature with the ability to Mass Produce itself, so that, later He could just turn them into Angels.

    God gave the Job of Genetically creating and modifying the Animals
    to make and develop humans on this Earth but Lucifer eventually rebelled and caused huge asteroids to destroy them by blowing up the planet near Mars and the whole Earth was partially destroyed and inundated with water. So, God went somewhere else and finished the project
    and NOW, with the added benefit of Satan and his buddies, is developing
    Resistence to Rebellion in us Christians.
    So, instead of minor Angels , we are going to become Ruling Spirit Beings.

    That is the Secret Mystery that God makes known to those who are His .

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    omega:

    BELOVED777

    WHY did God make the Earth ?
    Read the Thread, I answered that..
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    I just clarified it for the readers and gave them the Chronology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OMEGA View Post
    I just clarified it for the readers and gave them the Chronology.
    Why do you keep asking me a question that I have answered from my perspective already ?
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Question May I ask,

    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    we already are discussing that..though its possible, its not certain, all those could have been non elect as well, and consequently would go to hell for their sin in the their head, which would be satan..all the non elect, wether fetus or 100 yr old person, sinned initially in the devil their Father..

    Then some could have been elect..we dont know..
    Is that and editorial "We" or a royal "we"? Explain how a fetus could sin? bybee

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    bybee says:

    Explain how a fetus could sin?
    Show us the post where I said a fetus could sin please ?

    And after you show us that, please get back to the topic of the OP if you can..
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    we already are discussing that..though its possible, its not certain, all those could have been non elect as well, and consequently would go to hell for their sin in the their head, which would be satan..all the non elect, wether fetus or 100 yr old person, sinned initially in the devil their Father..

    Then some could have been elect..we dont know..
    To answer your question, your post #5 on this thread states "whether fetus or 100 yr old person, sinned initially in the devil their Father..". So, I repeat, how does a fetus sin? bybee

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    Quote Originally Posted by bybee View Post
    To answer your question, your post #5 on this thread states "whether fetus or 100 yr old person, sinned initially in the devil their Father..". So, I repeat, how does a fetus sin? bybee
    That was in response to a diversion question, and I have aleady answered the question if you can read, that said, I will post the quote so you can read it..

    I said :

    and consequently would go to hell for their sin in the their head, which would be satan..all the non elect, wether fetus or 100 yr old person, sinned initially in the devil their Father..
    So please read next time my whole statement and you may find out why I said it..Now back to the OP, can you handle that or not ? What in the OP you cannot agree with ?
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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