Teaching Kids the Truth About Marriage

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Teaching Kids the Truth About Marriage

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/teaching-kids-the-truth-about-marriage

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I was ladling some soup for my kindergartner one afternoon when he said casually, but a bit tentatively, “Mom, girls can marry girls.”

I knew this moment was coming. “Gay marriage” was not even an issue when my oldest children were little, but after the Supreme Court forced my hand, I knew I’d have to discuss it with my younger children.

I turned to my son, made eye contact with him, and replied in a calm voice, “Hmmm. Well, no, girls can’t marry girls, sweetie. Where did you hear that they could?”

“Katie said they can.”

“No, hon. Katie is a nice little girl, but she is wrong. Only boys can marry girls. That’s how God made families—with mommies and daddies marrying and then having babies. It is always very sad when little boys and girls don’t have a mom or a dad, isn’t it? So, even though you might hear strange things about marriage from your friends, or their parents, or even in the news, what you heard is not correct.”

Ideally, and in accord with what the Church teaches, we shouldn’t talk about “gay marriage” or homosexuality with our little ones unless it’s necessary.

We should do our best to protect our children’s innocence and not put them in a situation where they will be exposed to a distortion of marital love, be it same-sex attractions, polyamory, cohabitation, or the like. Sometimes this means making difficult choices that will result in our being socially shamed and rejected, which is why (if we are honest) many parents start to go along with the culture instead of gently but courageously speaking out against it.

If the issue becomes unavoidable (e.g., an uncle or sister is getting “married” to a person of the same sex), we should simply speak about God’s law being a very good thing and how sad it is when the people who make the civil laws forget this. You might say:

"Lots of times, adults who make the country’s laws make mistakes. Sometimes they are really confused and make very bad mistakes, like when they allowed slavery and abortion. But we are Catholic and we aren’t confused, so we have to stick with the way God has always wanted things. The way he made us is for a lady and a man to get married and have babies. If we do things God’s way, people are happy."

It’s important for our children to see us interact graciously and kindly with people who disagree with fundamental aspects of our faith. If your child faces hostility at school or in the neighborhood for speaking the truth that “girls can’t marry girls,” you can explain to your child that attacks often come from people who have deep hurts in their own lives. Tell them, and show them, that it’s possible to speak against lies without personally attacking the people who have been misled by those lies.

After our talk, my son seemed satisfied, understanding the need for children to have both a mother and a father, and he began to eat the soup I had placed in front of him. My answers made sense to him. A child’s heart unburdened by sin and untainted by error recognizes and accepts truth easily.

But other children, who have been wrongly taught or exposed to grave sin, might not have as easy a time understanding this, and they may push the issue with your kids. They may insist that “love is love” and that only a mean, hateful person would oppose letting people who love each other get married. You can remind your own child that most people love other people without marrying them:

"Even though you love Daddy, does that mean you could marry Daddy? No, that’s silly! Of course mommies and daddies love each other, and we should all love each other, but marriage is for the special love only mommies and daddies have that can make a new baby come into the world."

The culture conditions us to believe that all family structures are equal, even though, deep down, we know this is not true. Even people in secular Europe (where only about ten percent of Catholics attend Mass) understand this primal right of children to be raised by their married mom and dad.

Case in point: a few years ago, a million French citizens took to the streets in protest of SSM. They marched under the banner of “children need a mother and a father” and were led by two prominent gay French citizens, including Frigide Barjot, a flamboyant lesbian comedian who generally supports rights for same-sex couples. She told the New York Times, “The problem is not homosexuality, but human filiation. . . . To make a child, you need a man and a woman."

Other protesters who joined her at the Eiffel Tower carried signs that read, “Mother and father, it’s best for the child.” Anyone is capable of loving a child or being a caretaker, but nothing can replace the unique and complementary gifts that mothers and fathers provide to children.

Finally, let your children know that upholding the natural view of marriage is not about pitting people against each other, but about two competing—and irreconcilable—views of marriage: one that is solely about what adult people desire for themselves and the other that serves the needs and protects the rights of children by uniting a man and woman in a permanent, monogamous bond—a bond naturally designed to welcome and nurture the new life it produces.

Remember...
  • Make decisions about schooling, friends, and media that protect your child’s natural innocence.
  • If the issue becomes unavoidable, talk about how sad it is when people don’t understand marriage and why mommies and daddies are so important.
  • Remind your older “little kids” that marriage is a universal human norm from God and nature, and not something that the Church made up to force on everyone.
  • Remind your children that, even though it may seem like SSM is the norm (they won’t remember a time without it), it wasn’t always that way. For all of history up until a few years ago, the whole world—even non-Catholics and people who don’t believe in God—knew that ladies only marry men, and grooms only have brides (not another groom!), and that this is very good. Point out how strange it is that, just recently, a few people wanted to change the law in a really big hurry, and now they tell us that the world’s age-old understanding of marriage is bad! Your children will get that something there is just not right
 

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Teaching Kids the Truth About Marriage

https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/teaching-kids-the-truth-about-marriage

QUOTE:
I was ladling some soup for my kindergartner one afternoon when he said casually, but a bit tentatively, “Mom, girls can marry girls.”

I knew this moment was coming. “Gay marriage” was not even an issue when my oldest children were little, but after the Supreme Court forced my hand, I knew I’d have to discuss it with my younger children.

I turned to my son, made eye contact with him, and replied in a calm voice, “Hmmm. Well, no, girls can’t marry girls, sweetie. Where did you hear that they could?”

“Katie said they can.”

“No, hon. Katie is a nice little girl, but she is wrong. Only boys can marry girls. That’s how God made families—with mommies and daddies marrying and then having babies. It is always very sad when little boys and girls don’t have a mom or a dad, isn’t it? So, even though you might hear strange things about marriage from your friends, or their parents, or even in the news, what you heard is not correct.”

Ideally, and in accord with what the Church teaches, we shouldn’t talk about “gay marriage” or homosexuality with our little ones unless it’s necessary.


Why not "what God/the Bible teaches"?

Wouldn't that be even better? Because the Catholic church can be wrong sometimes. (not that they are here).

We should do our best to protect our children’s innocence and not put them in a situation where they will be exposed to a distortion of marital love, be it same-sex attractions, polyamory, cohabitation, or the like. Sometimes this means making difficult choices that will result in our being socially shamed and rejected, which is why (if we are honest) many parents start to go along with the culture instead of gently but courageously speaking out against it.

Persecution for God's sake is something to rejoice in.

If the issue becomes unavoidable (e.g., an uncle or sister is getting “married” to a person of the same sex), we should

Condemn them for breaking God's law, and tell them that they are not welcome around your family unless and until they repent, and then not let them around your family until they do.

We should tell them that what they are doing is deserving of the death penalty, that it's an abomination to God.

simply speak about God’s law being a very good thing and how sad it is when the people who make the civil laws forget this. You might say:

"Lots of times, adults who make the country’s laws make mistakes. Sometimes they are really confused and make very bad mistakes, like when they allowed slavery and abortion. But we are Catholic and we aren’t confused, so we have to stick with the way God has always wanted things. The way he made us is for a lady and a man to get married and have babies. If we do things God’s way, people are happy."

While I agree with this, in that it's a good way to speak to children about this issue, it's not enough.

It’s important for our children to see us interact graciously and kindly with people who disagree with fundamental aspects of our faith. If your child faces hostility at school

Here's the solution for protecting your kids from people who would teach them that right is wrong and wrong is right:

Homeschool them!

or in the neighborhood for speaking the truth that “girls can’t marry girls,” you can explain to your child that attacks often come from people who have deep hurts in their own lives. Tell them, and show them, that it’s possible to speak against lies without personally attacking the people who have been misled by those lies.

After our talk, my son seemed satisfied, understanding the need for children to have both a mother and a father, and he began to eat the soup I had placed in front of him. My answers made sense to him. A child’s heart unburdened by sin and untainted by error recognizes and accepts truth easily.

But other children, who have been wrongly taught or exposed to grave sin, might not have as easy a time understanding this, and they may push the issue with your kids. They may insist that “love is love” and that only a mean, hateful person would oppose letting people who love each other get married. You can remind your own child that most people love other people without marrying them:

"Even though you love Daddy, does that mean you could marry Daddy? No, that’s silly! Of course mommies and daddies love each other, and we should all love each other, but marriage is for the special love only mommies and daddies have that can make a new baby come into the world."

The culture conditions us to believe that all family structures are equal, even though, deep down, we know this is not true. Even people in secular Europe (where only about ten percent of Catholics attend Mass) understand this primal right of children to be raised by their married mom and dad.

Case in point: a few years ago, a million French citizens took to the streets in protest of SSM. They marched under the banner of “children need a mother and a father” and were led by two prominent gay French citizens, including Frigide Barjot, a flamboyant lesbian comedian who generally supports rights for same-sex couples. She told the New York Times, “The problem is not homosexuality, but human filiation. . . . To make a child, you need a man and a woman."

Other protesters who joined her at the Eiffel Tower carried signs that read, “Mother and father, it’s best for the child.” Anyone is capable of loving a child or being a caretaker, but nothing can replace the unique and complementary gifts that mothers and fathers provide to children.

Finally, let your children know that upholding the natural view of marriage is not about pitting people against each other, but about two competing—and irreconcilable—views of marriage: one that is solely about what adult people desire for themselves and the other that serves the needs and protects the rights of children by uniting a man and woman in a permanent, monogamous bond—a bond naturally designed to welcome and nurture the new life it produces.

Remember...
  • Make decisions about schooling, friends, and media that protect your child’s natural innocence.
  • If the issue becomes unavoidable, talk about how sad it is when people don’t understand marriage and why mommies and daddies are so important.
  • Remind your older “little kids” that marriage is a universal human norm from God and nature, and not something that the Church made up to force on everyone.
  • Remind your children that, even though it may seem like SSM is the norm (they won’t remember a time without it), it wasn’t always that way. For all of history up until a few years ago, the whole world—even non-Catholics and people who don’t believe in God—knew that ladies only marry men, and grooms only have brides (not another groom!), and that this is very good. Point out how strange it is that, just recently, a few people wanted to change the law in a really big hurry, and now they tell us that the world’s age-old understanding of marriage is bad! Your children will get that something there is just not right
 

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Like it or not, same sex marriage is now legal in America . If you don't like it, tough noogies . Don't marry someone of the same sex . Who is forcing you to do this ? No one .
I wonder, how is SSM harmful to other people ? Does it interfere with the lives and marriages of opposite sex couples ? Does it harm them and violate with their civil and human rights ?
Does it prevent opposite sex couples from getting married and having children ?
Is SSM harmful to children who are brought up by same sex couples ? Will it turn them gay and subject them to risk of sexual molestation ?
The answer to all these questions is NO .
 

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like it or not, so is abortion, divorce, pornography, adultery, etc etc etc

as Christians, as responsible parents, it's every American's duty to teach their children the difference between "legal" and "moral" These are totally false comparisons . "Comparing SSM to abortion, adultery , divorce and pornography etc is totally specious . Divorce is absolutely necessary and not immoral in nay way . To force women who are being abused physically and mentally to remain married is immoral . Pornography is nowhere near as bad as conservatives say it is. It has existed for over 2,000 years and is nowhere near as immoral as oppressing people for religious reasons .


and you can't do that without God

and God's pretty clear on homosexuality
 

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OK Doser , "God is pretty clear on homosexuality ?" He's also clear that eating pork and shellfish is an abomination , as well as cutting your hair and wearing tattoos . He's opposed to farmers planting two or more different crops on one field, wearing clothing with more than one kind of fabric etc .
God also says that disobedient children should be put to death , as well as anyone who works on the Sabbath . And not everyone agrees on which day should be the Sabbath .
 

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OK Doser , "God is pretty clear on homosexuality ?" He's also clear that eating pork and shellfish is an abomination , as well as cutting your hair and wearing tattoos . He's opposed to farmers planting two or more different crops on one field, wearing clothing with more than one kind of fabric etc .
God also says that disobedient children should be put to death , as well as anyone who works on the Sabbath . And not everyone agrees on which day should be the Sabbath .
Therefore, something... :idunno:

Darwinists are good at posting words, not so hot on making a point.

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OK Doser , "God is pretty clear on homosexuality ?" He's also clear that eating pork and shellfish is an abomination , as well as cutting your hair and wearing tattoos . He's opposed to farmers planting two or more different crops on one field, wearing clothing with more than one kind of fabric etc .
God also says that disobedient children should be put to death , as well as anyone who works on the Sabbath . And not everyone agrees on which day should be the Sabbath .

Again, it's only the ultra fundamentalists/zealots and trolls who go on about killing gay people and well, "executing" people in general who don't live up to a certain "standard". Most Christians don't want a bar of it.
 

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Teaching Kids the Truth About Marriage

If "CatholicCrusader" had been talking to her daughter prior to 1964, she may have lived in one of the 19 states in America where marriage between "blacks" and "whites" was still deemed illegal!

Contrary to popular opinion amongst conservative Christians, "marriage" has and will continue to be an evolving institution!

"Marriage" is influenced by both secular and religious considerations - given that one of the guiding principles that America was founded on was based on the separation of Church and State, the government can no more deny citizens the right to marry irrespective of their sexual orientation than it can deny the LBGTQ community the right to vote!
 
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Again, it's only the ultra fundamentalists/zealots and trolls who go on about killing gay people and well, "executing" people in general who don't live up to a certain "standard". Most Christians don't want a bar of it.

Nice to see you speak for "most Christians"

Was there a vote?

Were you given a certificate to act as the official spokesperson for "most Christians?"
 

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Like it or not, same sex marriage is now legal in America. If you don't like it, tough noogies. Don't marry someone of the same sex. Who is forcing you to do this? No one.

So, basically, you're forcing your tolerance of something that is perverse and disgusting onto the rest of society?

Why do we have to tolerate that, again?

I wonder, how is SSM harmful to other people? Does it interfere with the lives and marriages of opposite sex couples? Does it harm them and violate with their civil and human rights ?
Does it prevent opposite sex couples from getting married and having children ?
Is SSM harmful to children who are brought up by same sex couples ? Will it turn them gay and subject them to risk of sexual molestation ?
The answer to all these questions is NO .


We Just Want To Be Left Alone: "Yeah, right. In the public square, Christianity and homosexuality are mutually exclusive," said Bob Enyart. "One or the other will be in the closet." A homosexual replies: "No really, we just want to be left alone. Oh yeah, and you better bake us a cake. (But meeting Supreme Court opposition there, they're still pursuing plenty of other lawsuits, such as....) And keep your mouth shut about it. Or a pizza pie. And cookies. Or else. Because you'll get hit with a lawsuit or we'll take government action against you if you hesitate to obey any of these demands. So, you better send us flowers. And give me a haircut while I'm waiting. And take some photos. Or else. And forget about your heterosexual student clubs, doctors, and your boys-only cub scouts, and forget about your "morally straight" boy scouts and adult scout leaders, and forget about your father-daughter events, your heterosexual dating services, rescue missions, college Christian clubs, and your heterosexual NCAA-affiliated college campuses. We've decided to ban them. Oh yeah, and did we tell you? You're going to print us some t-shirts, provide the floral arrangements, sign our marriage certificates, or else, and then host our wedding! Yup. Even on your church property. And we want a parade, and you're going to provide security too. And a few last things. Don't forget our subpoenas for your sermon transcripts, and you better remove sections from that Bible of yours if you want to keep it available. Because remember, in Colorado, they passed a law to censor your objectionable speech, so watch out. And now, even Irish homosexuals just want to be left alone. " Etc., etc., etc., etc.



Links to each of the above court cases (yes, there's a case (or even multiple cases) for each one of the above examples) on kgov.com/homo.

OK Doser , "God is pretty clear on homosexuality ?"

He's very clear.

He's also clear that eating pork and shellfish is an abomination,

No it's not.

as well as cutting your hair and wearing tattoos.

Nope.

He's opposed to farmers planting two or more different crops on one field, wearing clothing with more than one kind of fabric etc.

Nope, nope, and etc nope.

God also says that disobedient children should be put to death,

No it doesn't.

as well as anyone who works on the Sabbath.

No, it doesn't.

And not everyone agrees on which day should be the Sabbath.

There are multiple Sabbaths.

Again, it's only the ultra fundamentalists/zealots and trolls who go on about killing gay people

Please point to a case where a "zealot" or "ultra fundamentalist" Christian killed a homo, so that we can condemn what they did as MURDER.

and well, "executing" people in general who don't live up to a certain "standard".

Executing criminals who deserve it, you mean?

Most Christians don't want a bar of it.

Thankfully, just because you claim "most Christians" doesn't make you the authority.

Teaching Kids the Truth About Marriage

If "CatholicCrusader" had been talking to her daughter prior to 1964, she may have lived in one of the 19 states in America where marriage between "blacks" and "whites" was still deemed illegal!

Contrary to popular opinion amongst conservative Christians, "marriage" has and will continue to be an evolving institution!

Marriage was defined by God as one man and one woman coming together to become one flesh. That was 7000 years ago, and it hasn't changed much except in the last 50 years or so. "Has and will continue to be an evolving institution?" Baloney.

"Marriage" is influenced by both secular and religious considerations - given that one of the guiding principles that America was founded on was based on the separation of Church and State,

Please show where this is defined. As far as I'm aware, it only says that the government cannot establish a national religion, not that church and state are separated...

the government can no more deny citizens the right to marry irrespective of their sexual orientation than it can deny LBGTQ community the right to vote!

The government has every right to govern marriage. It does not have the right, however, to redefine marriage to something that it is not, which is one man and one woman coming together to become one flesh.
 

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Again, it's only the ultra fundamentalists/zealots and trolls who go on about killing gay people and well, "executing" people in general who don't live up to a certain "standard". Most Christians don't want a bar of it.
By the way, God's standard is perfection. I don't know of anyone who's perfect besides Jesus, do you?

You go out on the street and ask someone if they think they're a good person, they'll most likely say yes, but if you ask them if they've ever lied, stolen, blasphemed God, or lusted after someone, they'll probably say yes to every one of those things. That's 4 out of the 10 commandments.
 

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By the way, God's standard is perfection. I don't know of anyone who's perfect besides Jesus, do you?

You go out on the street and ask someone if they think they're a good person, they'll most likely say yes, but if you ask them if they've ever lied, stolen, blasphemed God, or lusted after someone, they'll probably say yes to every one of those things. That's 4 out of the 10 commandments.

And? You've probably done all of those things yourself and more, besides which I wasn't even arguing that anyone would claim perfection anyway but that most Christians aren't ultra zealots who advocate putting people to death for being gay and the like. Hardly a "claim" you can refute. Most Christians aren't akin to the likes of the Phelps' by way of illustration.
 

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... Marriage was defined by God as one man and one woman coming together to become one flesh. That was 7000 years ago, and it hasn't changed much except in the last 50 years or so. "Has and will continue to be an evolving institution?" Baloney.

Please show where this is defined. As far as I'm aware, it only says that the government cannot establish a national religion, not that church and state are separated...

The government has every right to govern marriage. It does not have the right, however, to redefine marriage to something that it is not, which is one man and one woman coming together to become one flesh.
1. The Old Testament speaks of men with multiple wives and concubines ie. Abraham, David, Solomon

2. In the case of one brother dying, the other was obligated to marry his widow so that she would survive ie. Ruth

3. It has only within the past few centuries that the idea of marrying for love has gained wider acceptance - arranged marriages are still widely practiced in Asia and Africa to create alliances and to ensure that women would survive in male dominated societies!

4. “The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded upon the Christian Religion.”
- 1797, The Treaty of Tripoli, initiated by President Washington, signed by President John Adams, and approved by the Senate of the United States

“The appropriation of funds of the United States for the use and support of religious societies, [is] contrary to the article of the Constitution which declares that ‘Congress shall make no law respecting a religious establishment’.”
- James Madison, 1811

“All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish [Muslim], appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.”
- Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason

http://www.truthfulpolitics.com/htt...quotes-from-the-founding-fathers-on-religion/
 
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1. The Old Testament speaks of men with multiple wives and concubines ie. Abraham, David, Solomon
And later it says men should have one wife.

2. In the case of one brother dying, the other was obligated to marry his widow so that she would survive ie. Ruth
And today we have to pay people when they get divorced.

3. It has only within the past few centuries that the idea of marrying for love has gained wider acceptance - arranged marriages are still widely practiced in Asia and Africa to create alliances and to ensure that women would survive in male dominated societies!
And "love" is keeping all these people in lasting, loving relationships. :rolleyes:

Arranged marriages are not forced marriages.

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