Jesus was born having God's Spirit which is all it takes to overcome temptation.
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Jesus was born having God's Spirit which is all it takes to overcome temptation.
glorydaz
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It is always superseded by the whole word of God. Which is why cherry picking verses never works.
glorydaz
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Ah, so He cheated. He was not made like us in every way.
Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
glorydaz
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Babies are without sin...until they are old enough to choose evil over good.
Ah, so He cheated. He was not made like us in every way.
Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Jesus was tempted.
"For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted." (Hebrews 1:18)
"how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God" (Hebrews 9:14)
1Mind1Spirit
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glorydaz
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I didn't say He wasn't. Your point?
glorydaz
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Hey, that's what I was gonna say.
I love it when I beat you to it. :chuckle:
1Mind1Spirit
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Not accoring to Scripture. Listen, it comes down to Romans 5 in its totality. If you look at that chapter faithfully, there is no way you can believe anything else. Let’s look at the facts:
1. In verse 1-11, Paul explains how we have peace with God through the PHYSICAL death of Christ.
2. In verse 12, he transitions to explaining how the one death of Christ can atone for the sins of many believers. The argument runs like this:
A) Since many were counted guilty because of Adam’s sin, so the many are made righteous because of Jesus’ death.
B) The whole point is that the work Jesus did for His elect is far superior to what Adam did for all who are in him.
If you read verse 15 and still deny the FACT of imputed sin, then you simply refuse to take the Scriptures seriously and plainly.
Jerry Shugart
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I think people sin because they possess free will and at some point they decide to go their own way instead of God's way. If little children are spiriutully dead and banned from the kingdom until they are born of water and spirit then why would the Lord Jesus say that the kingdom BELONGS to them?
I will take the words of the Lord over those who cling to the theory of Original Sin which was formulated during the dark ages.
Jesus said that the kingdom belongs to “such as these.” Obviously the meaning is completely dependent on another (as children are) and not “innocent.” Your idea literally comes from humanism, not the Scriptures. Romans 5:18 is explicit: “Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. - Romans 5:18“
Jerry Shugart
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The Scriptures will be searched in vain for anyone saying that Adam's sin was imputed to anyone.
In fact, the Scriptures reveal the LORD will not impute one person's act of sin and its penalty to another person. Let us look at the following passage:
"The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying, What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?" (Ezek.18:1-2).
Charles Dyer wrote that "God asked Ezekiel about a proverb being circulated. This proverb--The Fathers eat sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge--must have been well known in Israel because Jeremiah also quoted it (cf. Jer. 31:29-30). the proverb's point was that children were suffering because of their parents' sins...So these people were blaming God for punishing them unjustly (cf. Ezek. 18:25). God saw that this proverb had to be refuted...Blaming others for their misfortunes, the people were denying their own guilt. This was wrong because every individual is personally responsible to God...Those who are guilty will receive their own deserved punishment" (Charles H. Dyer, "Ezekiel," in The Bible Knowledge Commentary; Old Testament, 1260).
Later we read the LORD's conclusion about this matter:
"The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son" (Ezek.18:20).
According to the proponents of Original Sin all of Adam's sons bore the sin of their father Adam.
There are other places in the Bible where this truth is revealed:
"The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin" (Deut.24:16).
"But he slew not their children, but did as it is written in the law in the book of Moses, where the LORD commanded, saying, The fathers shall not die for the children, neither shall the children die for the fathers, but every man shall die for his own sin" (2 Chron.25:4).
Those who support the idea of Original Sin insist that Adam's death and guilt have been imputed to all his children!
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What about Verse 18 Jerry?
Jerry Shugart
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What about verse 18, TD?
I do not see the word "imputed" in that verse. But what about verse 15?:
"But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many" (Ro.5:15).
Here we read that because of the offence of Adam "many" died but not "all." This verse alone refutes the teaching of Original Sin because according to those who promote the idea of Original Sin "all" people emerge from the womb spiritually dead.
So Jesus was like everyone else.
Verse 18 completely repudiates your heretical claim. “Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.” One trespass (Adam’s) led to condemnation for ALL men. All people are condemned because of Adam’s sin. If you deny that, you deny Scripture.
Jerry Shugart
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You don't understand what Paul is saying there because if you are right then the Lord's death lead to the justification of all men.
Is that what you believe?
Clearly not. Justification belongs to all people who are united with Christ, just as condemnation belongs to all those who are united with Adam. And the point of the passage is that all men are natuarlly united with Adam, thus are condemned. Christ offers justification through faith to all who are in Him. I understand what Paul is saying because he is clear. You have to twist his words to fit your humanistic, Pelagian heresy.
It is not the anger that is a sin.
Rather, what it is based on.
And one's acting on it - when it is of the wrong kind.
Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Mark 3:5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
Ephesians 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Rom. 5: 5-8 - in each our stead.