If you believe the truth it is possible that you have never been on the side of defending that abortion does take place, that it does happen. If the law permits it is different than if God permits it. He does not.
Abortion, the Pro-Life Stance, and God's Law. Abortion is Never Okay.
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If you believe the truth it is possible that you have never been on the side of defending that abortion does take place, that it does happen. If the law permits it is different than if God permits it. He does not.
genuineoriginal
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Yes, that is the way you, I, and any other pro-life/anti-abortion person would use the word.
The word abortion used to mean natural miscarriage:
Abort (Webster Dictionary 1828)
To miscarry in birth.
To miscarry in birth.
Abortion (Webster Dictionary 1828)
- The act of miscarrying, or producing young before the natural time, or before the fetus is perfectly formed.
- In a figurative sense, any fruit or produce that does not come to maturity, or any thing which fails in its progress, before it is matured or perfect, as a design or project.
- The fetus brought forth before it is perfectly formed.
The pro-abortion/anti-life people will always misunderstand pro-life/anti-abortion people when we say "abortion" because of these other definitions.
The intentional and deliberate taking of an innocent unborn life is never okay.
The unintentional loss of the life of the unborn child is not okay, but it is not to be treated as murder.
Exodus 21:22 22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine. |
Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 9
Verse 6
6 Whoever sheds the blood of man through man shall his blood be shed, for in the image of God He made man.
:ו שֹׁפֵךְ֙ דַּ֣ם הָֽאָדָ֔ם בָּֽאָדָ֖ם דָּמ֣וֹ יִשָּׁפֵ֑ךְ כִּ֚י בְּצֶ֣לֶם אֱלֹהִ֔ים עָשָׂ֖ה אֶת־הָֽאָדָֽם
Shalom.
Jacob
genuineoriginal
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There are many medical procedures that may be necessary to save a woman's life, but killing an unborn child is not one of them.
Some of the medical procedures that are necessary to save a woman's life may result in the death of the unborn child, but if killing the unborn child is not the intention of the medical procedure, then the death of the unborn child was an unavoidable consequence of using those medical procedures to save the woman's life.
Killing an unborn child is never necessary.
genuineoriginal
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By that logic, it is necessary kill the husband whenever a wife decides that she would like to end a marriage.
:mock: Stuu-pid pro-abortionists.
Obviously the god character in the Torah commands people to be killed, and it is commonly accepted that if a person is an immediate threat to others' lives then killing might be right.
So, abortion specifically?
Stuart
Bard_the_Bowman
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I see you have the whole thing worked out in your head. If a doctor discovers that an ectopic pregnancy is going to kill the woman, then the killing of the foetus isn't intentional, even though the doctor begins a procedure that intends to remove the foetus, thus killing it.
You are making a desperate use of semantics, one that in the end will result in people being unnecessarily distressed, but not you of course.
Stuart
No, the ending of a marriage does not necessitate killing. The ending of a pregnancy does.
Obviously.
Stuart
In the case of abortion who is guilty of taking a life?
When a person murders someone what should then happen to the murderer?
Were you asking about when someone might kill someone should they be killed?
So there is no scripture that specifically bans abortion? What then does scripture say about abortion?
Stuart
Abortion is murder so the Bible prohibits it.
The majority of ectopic pregnancies are survivable for both mother AND baby.
http://www.personhoodinitiative.com/fact-sheet-on-ectopic-pregnancy.html
It calls killing the innocent murder, it calls children innocent, and it calls the baby in the womb a child.
Ergo, intentionally taking the life of a baby in the womb IS IN FACT murder, and the murderer SHOULD BE EXECUTED.
So what? There are ectopic pregnancies that aren't survivable, unless the foetus is intentionally killed.
Stuart
Bard_the_Bowman
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Hey Jacob.
Both genuineoriginal and I agree with you. Save both lives always if possible.
But, you have to acknowledge that there are situations where that might not be possible. For example, in an ectopic pregnancy the child is developing outside of the uterus. That is an error. Babies are not meant to develop (and indeed, cannot)outside of the uterus. And that is a very dangerous situation for the life of the mother. Typically, the surgery to save the mother's life involves removing the fallopian tube. The baby does not survive that. But it is not an intentional killing of the baby. It is an intentional saving of the mother's life. There is no C-section possibility to save that baby, either.
That is a tragic case but it does explain what genuineoriginal is talking about.
Peace.