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The Barbarian · Aug 23, 2018

A new study shows that viewers who get their news from Fox News are the most misinformed in the country.

World Public Opinion, a project managed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, conducted a survey of American voters that shows that Fox News viewers are significantly more misinformed than consumers of news from other sources. What's more, the study shows that greater exposure to Fox News increases misinformation.

So the more you watch, the less you know. Or to be precise, the more you think you know that is actually false.

Lest moderates and liberals snicker about the stupid Fox viewers...

It should be noted that the cablesphere did not do terribly well in general: "CNN and the broadcast network news operations fared only slightly better in many cases. Even MSNBC, which had the best record of accurately informing viewers, has a ways to go before it can brag about it."

It should also be noted that the focus of this study was how much misleading information was presented to the public "following the first election since the Supreme Court has struck down limits on election-related advertising." Answer: a whole lot.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ext...y-be-detrimental-to-your-intelligence-2010-12

Stripe · Aug 23, 2018

Obsession.

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rexlunae · Aug 23, 2018

The business model for journalism is severely undermined. The proliferation of sources has made it a much more competitive marketplace, but it's also made standards suffer. Which leaves sources motivated by an agenda one of the main flows of capital into the industry.

That said, there is still good journalism being done. It's just that it's a much harder thing to find.

The Horn · Aug 24, 2018

Fox news was fake news from the beginning, long before Trump made the term fashionable .
And have you noticed how we never heard this term until we got Trump, the first fake US president ?

The Barbarian · Aug 24, 2018

I suppose he prefers "reality TV president."

ok doser · Aug 24, 2018

The Barbarian said:
I suppose he prefers "reality TV president."

:thumb:

you idiot leftists are finally starting to catch on :darwinsm:

ok doser · Aug 24, 2018

The Horn said:
... the first fake US president ?

that would be obama

"One of these things is not like the others..."

The Barbarian · Aug 24, 2018

Other theories alleged that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia in childhood, thereby losing his U.S. citizenship. Still others claimed that Obama was not a natural-born U.S. citizen because he was born a dual citizen (British and American). A number of political commentators have characterized these various claims as a racist reaction to Obama's status as the first African American President of the United States.[4]

These claims were promoted by fringe theorists (pejoratively referred to as "birthers"), some of whom sought court rulings either to declare Obama ineligible to take office, or granting access to various documents which they claimed would evidence such ineligibility; none of these efforts were successful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories

A sort of mental illness among those people who can't bring themselves to accept that anyone of African descent could become president.

"He's not like the others."

Looks different,um? Going to happen again, someday. Might even be a conservative next time. Get used to it.

ok doser · Aug 24, 2018

The Barbarian said:
... Obama became a citizen of Indonesia in childhood, thereby losing his U.S. citizenship.

this one always seemed to have the most potential traction - he was adopted by soetero, an Indonesian national - did he become an Indonesian citizen by that act? and as an Indonesian citizen, did he have to renounce his American citizenship?

A number of political commentators have characterized these various claims as a racist reaction ...

that's 'cause they're retards

Looks different,um?

well, yeah

an abstract art background bleeding into the foreground, as opposed to all those other, more traditional backgrounds?

hard to miss

unless you're focused on the color of his skin, um?

The Barbarian · Aug 24, 2018

Kennedy's was markedly different from all the rest too. But of course, he wasn't different in the way that made birthers claim that he wasn't a "real president."

Given the unusual activities of a certain other president, I guess I'd rather have a president of African descent with an unusual background for his portrait who was faithful to his marriage vows and was a good father, than a president of European descent with a permissive attitude toward adultery and sexual assault.

But some people may differ.

The Barbarian · Aug 24, 2018

this one always seemed to have the most potential traction - he was adopted by soetero, an Indonesian national

Sorry, that one was a lie, too. He couldn't have done that, even if he had wanted to:
Suffice it to say that every legitimate report I can find say that when Barack and his mom moved to Jakarta in 1967 to join her new husband, Lolo Soetoro, Indonesian law prohibited Soetoro from formally adopting his stepson because little Barry was too old.
https://www.bnd.com/living/liv-columns-blogs/answer-man/article162988863.html

- did he become an Indonesian citizen by that act? and as an Indonesian citizen, did he have to renounce his American citizenship?

You might ask Ted Cruz. Of course, it's a little different, because Ted was actually born in a foreign nation to a citizen of a foreign nation. To be fair, he changed that citizenship a few years ago, and is now an American citizen with no foreign citizenships.

But it's good to know what you really meant.

ok doser · Aug 24, 2018

The Barbarian said:
Kennedy's was markedly different from all the rest too.

it was indeed, both the background and the posture

but Kennedy didn't have any say in it, did he?

But of course, he wasn't different in the way that made birthers claim that he wasn't a "real president."

but of course - he was experienced and qualified - five years experience as a naval officer, six years as a congressional representative, eight years as a senator - a record of achievement and accomplishment

ok doser · Aug 24, 2018

The Barbarian said:
Sorry, that one was a lie, too. He couldn't have done that, even if he had wanted to:
Suffice it to say that every legitimate report I can find say that when Barack and his mom moved to Jakarta in 1967 to join her new husband, Lolo Soetoro, Indonesian law prohibited Soetoro from formally adopting his stepson because little Barry was too old.
https://www.bnd.com/living/liv-columns-blogs/answer-man/article162988863.html

meh :idunno: it's too late now, either way

You might ask Ted Cruz.

ted who?

genuineoriginal · Aug 24, 2018

The Barbarian said:
Obama was not a natural-born U.S. citizen because he was born a dual citizen (British and American).

That is correct.
Obama had a father who was not an American citizen, which is contrary to the intent of the writers of the Constitution who established that only natural-born citizens (people whose parents were US citizens at time of birth) could become president.

ok doser · Aug 24, 2018

genuineoriginal said:
That is correct.
Obama had a father who was not an American citizen, which is contrary to the intent of the writers of the Constitution who established that only natural-born citizens (people whose parents were US citizens at time of birth) could become president.

there's no fixed definition of the term "natural-born citizen", so legally, you have to rely on case law

and case law is all over the place on this

in the most restrictive interpretation, Obama would not qualify because his father is a foreign national and he gained automatic dual citizenship at birth

in the most permissive interpretation, Obama would qualify because of his mother's citizenship

in each case, the location of the birth is irrelevant

The Barbarian · Aug 24, 2018

Barbarian mentions foolish misconception some people have about citizenship:

Obama was not a natural-born U.S. citizen because he was born a dual citizen (British and American).

genuineoriginal said:
That is correct.
Obama had a father who was not an American citizen, which is contrary to the intent of the writers of the Constitution who established that only natural-born citizens (people whose parents were US citizens at time of birth) could become president.

No,that's wrong. Nowhere does it say that. A person born in the United States is a natural-born citizen. And a person who is born out of the United States with at least one parent is a citizen, is also a natural-born citizen of the United States, providing the parent declares that intent (there's a form). This is why Ted Cruz, who was born a Canadian citizen in Canada, is considered a natural-born American citizen, because one of his parents was an American citizen.

If you'll check the Constitution, you'll find nothing at all to support your argument.

5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

However,there is a federal code that makes the point clear:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1401

Read and learn.

The Barbarian · Aug 24, 2018

ok doser said:
meh :idunno: it's too late now, either way

Not for most of you. Really hard to find someone who will admit to being a birther, these days.

You could do what one politician did. Just deny it.

genuineoriginal · Aug 24, 2018

The Barbarian said:
A person born in the United States is a natural-born citizen. And a person who is born out of the United States with at least one parent is a citizen, is also a natural-born citizen of the United States

A person born with one parent who is not a citizen of the United States is not a natural-born citizen because having one parent who is an alien creates mixed national loyalties.

The Barbarian said:
Ted Cruz, who was born a Canadian citizen in Canada, is considered a natural-born American citizen, because one of his parents was an American citizen.

Ted Cruz was born to a Canadian citizen father and an American citizen mother. He was born with mixed national loyalties and is not a natural-born American citizen.
Barack Obama was born to a Kenyan citizen father and an American citizen mother. He was born with mixed national loyalties and is not a natural-born American citizen.

genuineoriginal · Aug 24, 2018

ok doser said:
there's no fixed definition of the term "natural-born citizen", so legally, you have to rely on case law

and case law is all over the place on this

in the most restrictive interpretation, Obama would not qualify because his father is a foreign national and he gained automatic dual citizenship at birth

That is how I see it.

ok doser said:
in the most permissive interpretation, Obama would qualify because of his mother's citizenship

That is how we have been taught to see it without any consideration of national loyalty being involved.

ok doser said:
in each case, the location of the birth is irrelevant

Yep.
It doesn't matter where Barack Obama or Ted Cruz was born.
What matters is how their parents' citizenship affects their national loyalty.

The birth certificate Barack Obama supplied is proof enough that his father was not a United States citizen, making him ineligible to be president, and it doesn't matter whether it was real or a fake.

The Barbarian · Aug 24, 2018

genuineoriginal said:
A person born with one parent who is not a citizen of the United States is not a natural-born citizen because having one parent who is an alien creates mixed national loyalties.

Ted Cruz was born to a Canadian citizen father and an American citizen mother. He was born with mixed national loyalties and is not a natural-born American citizen.
Barack Obama was born to a Kenyan citizen father and an American citizen mother. He was born with mixed national loyalties and is not a natural-born American citizen.

Sorry, as you see from the U.S. code, that's wrong.

Some lawsuits against Obama were filed on that misinterpretation, but they got nowhere, because they are opposed to the law as written.

In Cruz's case, it's unclear since he was born outside the U.S. and because it's not certain that the necessary declaration was filed on his parent's return.

In Obama's case, being born in the United States to an American citizen absolutely gives him natural-born citizen status.

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Amendment XIV makes this very clear:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

And that's why the lawsuits crashed and burned as soon as they got to court.

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