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    Quote Originally Posted by resurrected View Post
    GM - this is an old thread - Wickwoman no longer posts here.

    Best we can do is pray for her niece and her too.
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    Well... I'd just like a few people to understand Hartiology (Sin-ology) so Christians can actually answer these kinds of questions scritpurally and structurally.

    The problem comes from not knowing the difference between sin/s (hamartia), sin/s (hamartano), and sin/s (hamartema). And Augustine didn't help much, either.

    The epidemic ignorance of sin, repentance, faith, grace, and other foundational terms relative to salvation is appalling. Maybe I should start a thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PneumaPsucheSoma View Post
    Well... I'd just like a few people to understand Hartiology (Sin-ology) so Christians can actually answer these kinds of questions scripturally and structurally.

    The problem comes from not knowing the difference between sin/s (hamartia), sin/s (hamartano), and sin/s (hamartema). And Augustine didn't help much, either.

    The epidemic ignorance of sin, repentance, faith, grace, and other foundational terms relative to salvation is appalling. Maybe I should start a thread.

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    Well... I'd just like a few people to understand Hamartiology (Sin-ology) so Christians can actually answer these kinds of questions scripturally and structurally.

    The problem comes from not knowing the difference between sin/s (hamartia), sin/s (hamartano), and sin/s (hamartema). And Augustine didn't help much, either.

    The epidemic ignorance of sin, repentance, faith, grace, and other foundational terms relative to salvation is appalling. Maybe I should start a thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PneumaPsucheSoma View Post
    Well... I'd just like a few people to understand Hamartiology (Sin-ology) so Christians can actually answer these kinds of questions scripturally and structurally.

    The problem comes from not knowing the difference between sin/s (hamartia), sin/s (hamartano), and sin/s (hamartema). And Augustine didn't help much, either.

    The epidemic ignorance of sin, repentance, faith, grace, and other foundational terms relative to salvation is appalling. Maybe I should start a thread.
    Please do, having the terms defined as the Bible presents them would be edifying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    Please do, having the terms defined as the Bible presents them would be edifying.
    Until I make the time for a thread, he's a hint:

    Hamartia is a noun, and is utilized in both singular and plural.

    Hamartano is a verb, representing acting.

    Hamartema is a noun, representing individual acts of hamartia via hamartano.

    Hamartia is from "a" and "meros"; "a" being no/not, and meros meaning "share" or "part". Hamartia is "no share or part".

    So... hamartia is NOT a something, it's a somethinglessness. It's a lack or deficiency. Something which is not present or is missing.

    What's missing is communion, because the spirit of man died (thanatos). Thanatos is a cessation of communion with environment of origin. When communion was diverted by Eve beginning to hear another Rhema, the cessation began. That which fully ensued was spiritual death as separation of communion of man's spirit with God's Spirit (which did NOT indwell men).

    Because of that lack of communion that onset in Eden, we were all born with disarranged constitution. Our spirit "buried" and in need of resurrection, with our soul in ascendancy of primary function. Living by our own mind/will/emotions rather than them be subjected to God's Spirit via our own spirit and its communion faculty.

    The "no share or part" that is hamartia is the lack of righteousness that can only come by communion of our spirit with God's Spirit. So rather than sin (hamartia, the noun) being a "something", it's a giant strip mine in us. It's not something that can be removed, rather it's something that must be filled because it's a lack.

    The verb cannot help but be action that "misses the mark", because all action of the verb is relative to the noun and its inherent deficiency. And that deficiency is a lack of righteousness that comes from there being no communion. Only a resurrected and vivified spirit can provide the restored communion necesssary to fulfill righteousness (which is God's standard of conduct and condition). And that resurrection is by the last Adam, a quickening Spirit.

    So hamartia in the singular is the inner condition, while hamartia in the plural is the aggregate outward conduct of that inner condition. NEVER is hamartia the individual acts for which the Mosaic Law required the blood and goats to be spilt. Jesus Christ ONLY deals with the source OF any individual acts, and only the general outward conduct relative to the inner condition that was from a disarranged constitution as spiritual death (that resulted in physical death).

    For salvation, we repent of hamartia plural (the outward conduct), which includes the singular (the inner condition). That repentance must be metanoia/metanoeo, which is a complete change in condition of the entire comprehension, apprehension, and understanding of our consicous cognition, and all relative to moral reflection. It includes a paralleling of our mind with God's mind relative to righteousness and sin/s (hamartia); and in this agreement, there is a turning away from hamartia and towards God.

    This is a one-time onset as an event that represents a changed mind as a metonym for heart. We let this mind be in us that was also in Christ Jesus, and have a renewing of the mind that is our consistent and continuous mindset.

    We do NOT lay again the foundation of repentance from dead works. The hamartema that are individual acts are NOT to be repented of repetitiously, as so many do. All hamartano and hamartema were included in our salvific repentance, and to continue to repent of individual acts is to treat the blood of Christ as the blood of bulls and goats. He was the once-for-all sacrifice to atone for all sin/s (hamartia), which is the inward condition and the outward conduct of our lives before Christ.

    After salvation, we confess our sins (hamartia plural); which is our outward conduct of the old man we've declared dead. Confession is homoleggeo, which literally means same-speaking; and is the same term always translated "profess". So in confessing our sins, we are professing Christ who became sin for us. We profess that our outward conduct is His as we are confessing the old man's conduct as lacking in comparison to the righteousness of God in Christ.

    In regard to the OP, homosexuality is only part of hamartia, and results in individual actions that are hamartema from the verb hamartano. Railing on hamartano (sinning) and hamartema (individual sin acts) doesn't have anything to do with salvation. This sinning and these sins (hamartema) already condemn whoever is committing them. It's the inward condition and the outward conduct that are in need of the goodness of God bringing repentance, which is His grace.

    Unbelievers don't have any comprehension of this because believers have no comperhension of it. All focus is generally upon individual acts of sin with sinning, rather than being focused on the overall condition of all men relative to the disarranged constitution we are all born with that disallows communion with God's righteousness, and ultimately gives us all a giant strip mine that's in need of being filled.

    The only thing that can fill that strip mine is the Holy Spirit of promise. So any attention to individual acts of sin and sinning is just pointing to symptoms of the incurable disease.

    We need an entire paradigm shift of understanding to address sin (hamartia, both singular and plural) instead of focusing on hamartema (individual sin acts) and hamartano (sinning). Those are inevitable when there is hamartia as an inward condition and outward conduct. And since the blood of bulls and goats is no longer valid, then addressing hamartema/hamartano is fallacious.

    Sinners will have sinning and sins. The focus should be on sin, the condition and the conduct overall that comes from the condition. Too much time is spent in condemnation for that which already condemns sinners. And the practice of the Christian faith has too heavily codified grace with Law directed toward individual sins instead of dealing with the condition of sin and its inevitable conduct in sinners' lives.

    Christians are codifying grace and turning it into the Law. We'll never effectively deal with groups such as homosexuals until we learn to deal with the Gospel relative to sin rather than sins. The way to Calvary isn't about acts of sin. It's about the condition of sin and its overall conduct. Man too easily justifies acts of sins individually to ever be convicted by calling attention to acts rather than sin itself.

    The Gospel is that the "no share or part" is filled by Jesus Christ. It's not about falling short of the Law with individual acts of sin. And that's the probelm with the OP's perspective about homosexuality, which is only a symptom of hamartia like any and all other acts of sin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PneumaPsucheSoma View Post
    Until I make the time for a thread, he's a hint:

    Hamartia is a noun, and is utilized in both singular and plural.

    Hamartano is a verb, representing acting.

    Hamartema is a noun, representing individual acts of hamartia via hamartano.

    Hamartia is from "a" and "meros"; "a" being no/not, and meros meaning "share" or "part". Hamartia is "no share or part".

    So... hamartia is NOT a something, it's a somethinglessness. It's a lack or deficiency. Something which is not present or is missing.

    What's missing is communion, because the spirit of man died (thanatos). Thanatos is a cessation of communion with environment of origin. When communion was diverted by Eve beginning to hear another Rhema, the cessation began. That which fully ensued was spiritual death as separation of communion of man's spirit with God's Spirit (which did NOT indwell men).

    Because of that lack of communion that onset in Eden, we were all born with disarranged constitution. Our spirit "buried" and in need of resurrection, with our soul in ascendancy of primary function. Living by our own mind/will/emotions rather than them be subjected to God's Spirit via our own spirit and its communion faculty.

    The "no share or part" that is hamartia is the lack of righteousness that can only come by communion of our spirit with God's Spirit. So rather than sin (hamartia, the noun) being a "something", it's a giant strip mine in us. It's not something that can be removed, rather it's something that must be filled because it's a lack.

    The verb cannot help but be action that "misses the mark", because all action of the verb is relative to the noun and its inherent deficiency. And that deficiency is a lack of righteousness that comes from there being no communion. Only a resurrected and vivified spirit can provide the restored communion necesssary to fulfill righteousness (which is God's standard of conduct and condition). And that resurrection is by the last Adam, a quickening Spirit.

    So hamartia in the singular is the inner condition, while hamartia in the plural is the aggregate outward conduct of that inner condition. NEVER is hamartia the individual acts for which the Mosaic Law required the blood and goats to be spilt. Jesus Christ ONLY deals with the source OF any individual acts, and only the general outward conduct relative to the inner condition that was from a disarranged constitution as spiritual death (that resulted in physical death).

    For salvation, we repent of hamartia plural (the outward conduct), which includes the singular (the inner condition). That repentance must be metanoia/metanoeo, which is a complete change in condition of the entire comprehension, apprehension, and understanding of our consicous cognition, and all relative to moral reflection. It includes a paralleling of our mind with God's mind relative to righteousness and sin/s (hamartia); and in this agreement, there is a turning away from hamartia and towards God.

    This is a one-time onset as an event that represents a changed mind as a metonym for heart. We let this mind be in us that was also in Christ Jesus, and have a renewing of the mind that is our consistent and continuous mindset.

    We do NOT lay again the foundation of repentance from dead works. The hamartema that are individual acts are NOT to be repented of repetitiously, as so many do. All hamartano and hamartema were included in our salvific repentance, and to continue to repent of individual acts is to treat the blood of Christ as the blood of bulls and goats. He was the once-for-all sacrifice to atone for all sin/s (hamartia), which is the inward condition and the outward conduct of our lives before Christ.

    After salvation, we confess our sins (hamartia plural); which is our outward conduct of the old man we've declared dead. Confession is homoleggeo, which literally means same-speaking; and is the same term always translated "profess". So in confessing our sins, we are professing Christ who became sin for us. We profess that our outward conduct is His as we are confessing the old man's conduct as lacking in comparison to the righteousness of God in Christ.

    In regard to the OP, homosexuality is only part of hamartia, and results in individual actions that are hamartema from the verb hamartano. Railing on hamartano (sinning) and hamartema (individual sin acts) doesn't have anything to do with salvation. This sinning and these sins (hamartema) already condemn whoever is committing them. It's the inward condition and the outward conduct that are in need of the goodness of God bringing repentance, which is His grace.

    Unbelievers don't have any comprehension of this because believers have no comperhension of it. All focus is generally upon individual acts of sin with sinning, rather than being focused on the overall condition of all men relative to the disarranged constitution we are all born with that disallows communion with God's righteousness, and ultimately gives us all a giant strip mine that's in need of being filled.

    The only thing that can fill that strip mine is the Holy Spirit of promise. So any attention to individual acts of sin and sinning is just pointing to symptoms of the incurable disease.

    We need an entire paradigm shift of understanding to address sin (hamartia, both singular and plural) instead of focusing on hamartema (individual sin acts) and hamartano (sinning). Those are inevitable when there is hamartia as an inward condition and outward conduct. And since the blood of bulls and goats is no longer valid, then addressing hamartema/hamartano is fallacious.

    Sinners will have sinning and sins. The focus should be on sin, the condition and the conduct overall that comes from the condition. Too much time is spent in condemnation for that which already condemns sinners. And the practice of the Christian faith has too heavily codified grace with Law directed toward individual sins instead of dealing with the condition of sin and its inevitable conduct in sinners' lives.

    Christians are codifying grace and turning it into the Law. We'll never effectively deal with groups such as homosexuals until we learn to deal with the Gospel relative to sin rather than sins. The way to Calvary isn't about acts of sin. It's about the condition of sin and its overall conduct. Man too easily justifies acts of sins individually to ever be convicted by calling attention to acts rather than sin itself.

    The Gospel is that the "no share or part" is filled by Jesus Christ. It's not about falling short of the Law with individual acts of sin. And that's the probelm with the OP's perspective about homosexuality, which is only a symptom of hamartia like any and all other acts of sin.
    Your assessment is valid here and I agree with it. Too many Christians and denominations that they subscribe teach law & grace in the same sentence when the two are mutually exclusive. The teaching that a Christian should try to polish up that dead flesh to be acceptable before God I believe to fallacious also, for the reason that if there were a way for humankind to make themselves acceptable Christ He would have never borne the cross. Certainly we as new creatures should aspire to live as he lived and turn from that which we know to be evil but, we do not move into and out of salvation like a revolving door which seems to be a common theme of many professing Christians on this site. There is a misunderstanding of the cross and the meaning Christ's sacrifice in general, sadly.

    Thanks for taking the time to post such a lengthy reply, there is a lot to swallow for some but, worth the effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    Your assessment is valid here and I agree with it. Too many Christians and denominations that they subscribe teach law & grace in the same sentence when the two are mutually exclusive. The teaching that a Christian should try to polish up that dead flesh to be acceptable before God I believe to be fallacious also, for the reason that if there were a way for humankind to make themselves acceptable Christ He would have never borne the cross. Certainly we as new creatures should aspire to live as he lived and turn from that which we know to be evil but, we do not move into and out of salvation like a revolving door which seems to be a common theme of many professing Christians on this site. There is a misunderstanding of the cross and the meaning Christ's sacrifice in general, sadly.

    Thanks for taking the time to post such a lengthy reply, there is a lot to swallow for some but, worth the effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wickwoman View Post
    My niece was gay the day she was born.
    No, she wasnt.

    I don’t know what caused it - maybe she’s got too much or too little of this hormone or that one. All I know is that every picture I look at of her from the day she started to look like one sex or the other, she always looked a little less than female. I can’t put my finger on it now, I just know she was different. That doesn’t make her a sinner.
    Loads of tomboys among young girls, doesnt mean they are gay.

    When she was 4 years old she used to dress up in her dad’s work clothes and work boots. For Halloween she was always an army man or a Star Trek captain. All of her friends were little boys.
    So were mine when i was little, im as far from gay as it gets, boys were just more fun to me.

    She choose them because she had the most in common with boys. When boys decided they didn’t like girls, she had no friends. She was devastated. Her best friend Patrick told her one day girls were “icky.” It changed her attitude about life forever.
    sounds then like the start of her gayness had to do with societal influence and what she did with it.

    Sometimes I wonder if it was something I did or said or something her mom or dad did or didn’t do.
    Certainly looks that way, by this post, seems you encouraged "gay"


    When it comes right down to it, it doesn’t matter.
    It matters.


    Whether it was environment or genetics, nevertheless, she had no control over what happened to her and in her. It just was.
    We are born sinners, it just is because it passed from adam to all mankind, thats the way it is, and without Christ we remain in those sins and lost.

    Either way, no loving God would send her to Hell for it.
    Yes, a loving Just God will expect the same thing for her as everyone else - sin free complete perfection, which is impossible without Christ.

    Of this I am sure.
    You are dead wrong.

    So tell me that God thinks she’s an “abomination.”
    You want people to lie to you? God doesnt think she is an abomination, He thinks her sin is.


    But this time, use your head. Don’t quote from your famous book. Give me a logical reason from your very own head as to why God is going to send her to Hell for being gay.
    You just set up a false premise argument, you want us to give you biblical reasoning about a biblical event, yet not use the bible to explain what comes from the bible.



    I challenge you to give me one good LOGICAL reason.
    God said it is sin and God made her.


    She is not harming anyone, she is not even harming herself.
    Sin harms everyone.


    What harmed her the most was when she tried to fit in and be straight.
    Sounds like your own desires made that more difficult for her, since you already decided she was gay when she was little.

    She’s much happier now that she is openly gay.
    You mean you are.


    She and her girlfriend are not sexually involved right now. They want to keep their relationship plutonic for now. When I see them holding hands and enjoying being together so much, I think “how could this be wrong?”
    Because you have a perverted view of what is right and wrong.

    When you objectify your beliefs it is much easier to hold them sacred.
    When you have the truth, its much easier to hold it sacred.

    When something comes and knocks on the door of your house, then it’s different.
    All have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God, the sins are just different.

    God is that way too.
    No, He isnt.


    Do you think he/she looks at you and says “you know, if you just weren’t so critical of everything, I would let you come to Heaven.” Or “if you didn’t get so angry in traffic, I would love you.” Or “if you didn’t spend so much time gossiping with your friends you would be alright in my book.”
    No, He looks at you and says "I have made a way for you to be reunited to me for all eternity, and I hope you take me up on it - I even suffered temptations and the weakness of the flesh yet did it without sin, and laid my life down for you so you could be free - just trust Me instead of continuing in your pride and sin. "

    No, God isn’t like that.
    No, He isnt like what you said.


    People who believe this person or that person is going to Hell don’t really know those people they condemn. The make them objects and categorize them in the “bad” category. They don’t feel personally attached to the “bad” ones because if they did, they wouldn’t be able to keep them on the “bad” list. That’s why God doesn’t have a “bad” list. He/she does know each of us personally and he/she could never send anyone to Hell.
    Why do you mention hell as if its real while you believe nothing else about what it says - where you got the concept to begin with?

    Now I’m talking to all of you who believe there is a Hell and that there are people who will go there someday: “As long as you keep your ears shut, your house of cards will not fall. As long as you refuse to let a logical thought enter your head, you will continue to swallow whatever the preacher tells you is right. You don’t have to think, you’ve got the Bible, the preacher, the Sunday school teacher. Is that what you really believe? But if one little doubt enters your head, your whole system of beliefs will begin to fall. It’s time you started thinking for yourself. Give it a try.”
    You aren't talking to believers then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    Your assessment is valid here and I agree with it. Too many Christians and denominations that they subscribe teach law & grace in the same sentence when the two are mutually exclusive. The teaching that a Christian should try to polish up that dead flesh to be acceptable before God I believe to fallacious also, for the reason that if there were a way for humankind to make themselves acceptable Christ He would have never borne the cross. Certainly we as new creatures should aspire to live as he lived and turn from that which we know to be evil but, we do not move into and out of salvation like a revolving door which seems to be a common theme of many professing Christians on this site. There is a misunderstanding of the cross and the meaning Christ's sacrifice in general, sadly.

    Thanks for taking the time to post such a lengthy reply, there is a lot to swallow for some but, worth the effort.
    Unfortunately, hope is predominantly taught/preached as faith because of English presumption of meaning.

    In English, hope is not thought of as expectancy, instead being perceived as some earnest type of "wishing". I "hope" I win the lottery. I "hope" I'm saved.

    But hope is expectation and anticipation with desire for that which is promised. We're saved by hope (Romans 8:24-25), and hope maketh not ashamed. Hope is one of the three that remain. But hope is for what lies beyond physical death of the promised everlasting glory in the afterlife.

    NOW faith is the substance OF things hoped FOR. Faith is more than expectation, it's persuasion of absolute assurance. Faith expedites our physical death to NOW, so we can reckon ourselves dead and be IN Christ while we yet physically live.

    The overwhelming majority of believers are stuck merely in hope, not walking according to the promises they've hope for... NOW. The just shall live by faith. That's not just in the sweet by and by, just over in the gloryland. That's now.

    And most are constantly laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, not truly discerning the body and blood of Christ. Many are trapped in a cycle of never being able to have dominion over sin in their members, because they don't live by the faith OF the Son of God.

    These are those who are consumed with the futility and self-centeredness of the Law and always concentrating on each act of sin and repetititve repentance of them in condemnation.

    By the hypostasis of their faith, a believer's hypostasis is engrafted into the hypostasis of God and having put on the prosopon of Christ; declaring their own prosopon dead. The outer man perishes, but the inner man is renewed day by day. Working out (from the inner man to the outer man) our salvation with fear and trembling.

    Poor teaching, indoctrination, and lethargy have conspired for believers to live below their status as having the earnest of their inheritance until redemption of the purchased possession.

    All that I've previously posted that you wanted me to blog is exactly and literally true... NOW. We've been translated into the kingdom of God's dear Son. Sin hath no more dominion over us.

    There is no sin imputed to our hypostasis, because it's IN Christ. The sin is imputed to our dead flesh, and we are to not let sin reign in that mortal flesh, filling up that which remains of Christ as we suffer in the flesh just as did our Master.

    Sectarian denominationalism is so busy with other menial non-priorities, that there isn't even solid teaching about sin and repentance and faith and hope and love and grace, and all relative to hypostasis and prosopon for man in regards to the new creation and the old man.

    When someone very educated posits that I've made up the term Hamartiology, it's a sad day for modern Theology and the Gospel.

    Jesus Christ and Him crucified. I'm dead, nevertheless I live. NOW!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PneumaPsucheSoma View Post
    Unfortunately, hope is predominantly taught/preached as faith because of English presumption of meaning.

    In English, hope is not thought of as expectancy, instead being perceived as some earnest type of "wishing". I "hope" I win the lottery. I "hope" I'm saved.

    But hope is expectation and anticipation with desire for that which is promised. We're saved by hope (Romans 8:24-25), and hope maketh not ashamed. Hope is one of the three that remain. But hope is for what lies beyond physical death of the promised everlasting glory in the afterlife.

    NOW faith is the substance OF things hoped FOR. Faith is more than expectation, it's persuasion of absolute assurance. Faith expedites our physical death to NOW, so we can reckon ourselves dead and be IN Christ while we yet physically live.

    The overwhelming majority of believers are stuck merely in hope, not walking according to the promises they've hope for... NOW. The just shall live by faith. That's not just in the sweet by and by, just over in the gloryland. That's now.

    And most are constantly laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, not truly discerning the body and blood of Christ. Many are trapped in a cycle of never being able to have dominion over sin in their members, because they don't live by the faith OF the Son of God.

    These are those who are consumed with the futility and self-centeredness of the Law and always concentrating on each act of sin and repetititve repentance of them in condemnation.

    By the hypostasis of their faith, a believer's hypostasis is engrafted into the hypostasis of God and having put on the prosopon of Christ; declaring their own prosopon dead. The outer man perishes, but the inner man is renewed day by day. Working out (from the inner man to the outer man) our salvation with fear and trembling.

    Poor teaching, indoctrination, and lethargy have conspired for believers to live below their status as having the earnest of their inheritance until redemption of the purchased possession.

    All that I've previously posted that you wanted me to blog is exactly and literally true... NOW. We've been translated into the kingdom of God's dear Son. Sin hath no more dominion over us.

    There is no sin imputed to our hypostasis, because it's IN Christ. The sin is imputed to our dead flesh, and we are to not let sin reign in that mortal flesh, filling up that which remains of Christ as we suffer in the flesh just as did our Master.

    Sectarian denominationalism is so busy with other menial non-priorities, that there isn't even solid teaching about sin and repentance and faith and hope and love and grace, and all relative to hypostasis and prosopon for man in regards to the new creation and the old man.

    When someone very educated posits that I've made up the term Hamartiology, it's a sad day for modern Theology and the Gospel.

    Jesus Christ and Him crucified. I'm dead, nevertheless I live. NOW!!
    I find this post very edifying brother and very refreshing Lord knows I do grow tired of batting it back and forth with those that pervert the Gospel and cheapen Christ's sacrifice through their blindness & ignorance to the beauty of what Christ has done for us. Keep it up brother, continue to stand for the faith.
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